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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:14:52 pm 
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Penny wrote:
Fact: If I hadnt scrambled arriving at the merge I would have been voted out and Helios would have been down 6-3. Helen and Brian would have both been sent home following me as well. I was the one who convinced Daniel to flip, while Helen and Brian were content to let Rob decide our fate. He voted against me, if it wasnt for me we would have lost the opening vote.

Even without Daniel, since Ted was willing to vote for Shawna, we still had a 5-5 tie right there with Helios. You wouldn't have necessarily been voted. And if Ted wouldn't have won immunity, there's a good chance that he would've gotten the Asterian vote that round.


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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:17:11 pm 
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Christy wrote:
Penny

hey, girl! Actually I've rewritten my entire question after your opening. Before it, I was 80-20 about voting for you (you with 20, Helen with 80), but I'd say I'm fifty-fifty right now. My question is: was there any point in this game when you seriously considered voting out Helen over anyone had she not won immunity? Thanks, and good luck icon_smile


Hi Christy!

I did say that Helen was lucky to survive this long, because her name was constantly on the chopping block for elimination.

Long term my plan to eliminate Helen was ruined, twice, when Daniel and Erin were both blindsided. I still had three opportunities to eliminate her and would have definitely done so the last two times had she not won Immunity. I seriously considered flipping with Rob to vote out Helen, I would have flipped with you and Joanna and I would have flipped again with Joanna and done my best to get Brian to flip too.

Strategically I knew that I wanted to get rid of Helen to give myself the best possible chance to win the game. Unfortunately it didnt pan out as I had to keep Helen on for longer as numbers because I lost allies unexpectedly, however I still believe my game was better than her's, and I still believe I deserve to win the most here.

I hope that answers your question. icon_smile


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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:19:58 pm 
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Christy wrote:
Additional task for everyone - rank everyone you've met in this game, based on how much you liked them. No explanation needed.


In terms of pure likeability mine would go something like this;

1. Erin
2. Brian
3. Daniel
4. Christy
5. Helen
6. Joanna
7. Rob
8. Ted
9. Shawna
10. Jake
11. Jan
12. Ken
13. Ryan
14. Jeanne
15. Butch


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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:22:00 pm 
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Penny wrote:
Christy wrote:
Additional task for everyone - rank everyone you've met in this game, based on how much you liked them. No explanation needed.


In terms of pure likeability mine would go something like this;

1. Erin
2. Brian
3. Daniel
4. Christy
5. Helen
6. Joanna
7. Rob
8. Ted
9. Shawna
10. Jake
11. Jan
12. Ken
13. Ryan
14. Jeanne
15. Butch

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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:25:35 pm 
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Christy wrote:
In your opening speech you basically described how you willingly rode coattails. If you want my vote tell me why you deserve it more over Helen. That's it.

Despite riding coattails, I was still involved in every decision that Helen made and completely understood her game, saw how it was going to work and believed that her ideas were able to make it to the end. I contributed to some of the ideas and some of her actions as well. I feel like the best player in a Survivor game isn't necessarily the one who makes all the moves and is seen as such an obvious threat. It's actually rare for that type of player to make it to the end, so I used her as a shield. I believe I played an extremely intelligent, under-the-radar type game, and at this point, my argument is radically different than Penny's and Helen's because I'm not trying to say I was responsible for us going to the end.

My strategy was mainly just get MYSELF to the end. If Penny would've left, I had options. If Helen would've left, I had options. I was seen as a goat essentially, which increased my chances of making to the end, but I had all the knowledge and forwarded messages from Helen to get myself further. And I considered several times (mainly at final 7 if you wouldn't have gone home) actually stepping up and taking Helen out, but when Erin was blindsided, it forced me to maintain this strategy until the end of the game. And I was vulnerable without immunity all but one vote and lasted safe. I feel like it's not necessarily smartest to do so much, so obviously. I wanted to make it to the end of the game, and I did just that.

Christy wrote:
Additional task for everyone - rank everyone you've met in this game, based on how much you liked them. No explanation needed.


1. Helen
2. Erin
3. Christy
4. Jake
5. Penny
6. Ken
7. Ted
8. Rob
9. Joanna
10. Jan
11. Daniel
12. Shawna


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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:27:33 pm 
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Brian wrote:
2. Erin

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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:27:53 pm 
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To Penny's points, I already addressed each of those above, and you haven't added anything new, so I'll save everyone from more drudgery.

Christy wrote:
Great game, great opening full of fluff. Here's my concern: I think that after the first few merge rounds you set yourself up for a fall. Everyone knew you were a threat, and I think that the biggest reason you're there is because of your immunityrun. I think that a great player doesn't need immunity, eventhough it's part of the game. So, here's my task for you: give me a possible rundown on events, assuming you never won immunity (and assuming that the winner of the immunity-challenge was always safe and that it never played part in who's going home). Got it?

Here's the catch though. We all know how much do you like writing, and since your opening speech was long enough, I want you to answer my question in less than... say, 110 words. Have fun!


The original plan was for F5 of Helios4+Ted where Ted would vote out Erin since he had no relationship with the girls, and Penny/Ted would jostle to join Brian/me in finals. Being the uniting force between the two sides of the alliance would have provided safety, but Ted’s loyalty caused that to fall through.

Without an idol in play (since we’re nulling immunity), Helios 4 makes Final 6 with one of you (say Joanna) being out at F7. Keep Rob til F6 so Penny thrives on eliminating him thus keeping me in, and Brian/I make F5 with you or Joanna who we’ve bonded with more than Erin/Penny have for F3.

Christy wrote:
Additional task for everyone - rank everyone you've met in this game, based on how much you liked them. No explanation needed.


Brian
Christy
Erin
Joanna
Ted
Rob
Ken
Penny
Jan
Jake
Shawna (hardly talked to)
Daniel (hardly talked to)

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Good luck guys ^_^


Thanks, Christy!


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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:29:58 pm 
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Brian wrote:
If Penny would've left, I had options.


This is incorrect.

If I was voted out, these two were following me to Ponderosa. I was the one who got us the numbers advantage in the first place. Brian and Helen did not want to try and approach Daniel because it was too 'risky'. They both depended on Ted and Rob and both were playing us.

If I was voted out, Rob would be here at the end because Helen and Brian simply refused to vote him out. Rob was my greatest strategic rival in my opinion and would have probably won had he made it, given the target he had on his back the entire time.

They were both entirely dependent on the moves I made at the merge. Brian is here because I decided to bring him here, Helen is here because she was lucky with a few Immunity Challenges.

Why am I here? I was vulnerable at every Tribal Council, they could have eliminated me at any time. The fact is they couldnt afford to vote me out because I was the one carrying both of them to the end.


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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:30:34 pm 
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exactly 110 words icon_wub

Thanks everyone, this definitely helped! :)


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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:36:54 pm 
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Penny wrote:
Brian wrote:
If Penny would've left, I had options.


This is incorrect.

If I was voted out, these two were following me to Ponderosa. I was the one who got us the numbers advantage in the first place. Brian and Helen did not want to try and approach Daniel because it was too 'risky'. They both depended on Ted and Rob and both were playing us.


Ted wasn't playing us at F10 and F9. He wanted Asteria down two numbers. We'd have won F10 with or without Daniel. And since Ted's utmost loyalty did appear to be to me and Brian (since he had a deal to go further in the game with us than with Asteria), but his projected path to the end was too dangerous. Still, if you or Erin would have left at F8 as was being planned with us a part of it, since Ted was still loyal to Brian and I (but not necessarily all of Asteria since he was fine with you and Erin going that round) we'd have continued to make it through.

Penny wrote:
If I was voted out, Rob would be here at the end because Helen and Brian simply refused to vote him out. Rob was my greatest strategic rival in my opinion and would have probably won had he made it, given the target he had on his back the entire time.


He did have a target on his back. From you. That's why we kept him in the first three rounds because it was guaranteed to keep you loyal to us since you'd still be targeting him. If you read my earlier statement, you'd realize that this was all intentional but you were blind to it because you were too determined to take him out.

Penny wrote:
Why am I here? I was vulnerable at every Tribal Council, they could have eliminated me at any time. The fact is they couldnt afford to vote me out because I was the one carrying both of them to the end.


You weren't carrying either of. Your argument for being safe at every TC is the equivalent of Katie Gallagher saying that she deserved to win Survivor: Palau because she wasn't targeted. She wasn't targeted because she was unnecessarily mean to people, much in the manner that you've been proud of "controlling" the pre-merge fighting between the tribes.


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