Helen (to Christy, Joanna): Full Disclosure. I'm not trying to lie to you guys and deceptive anymore. This is just to try to explain things.

If you hate me, or us, or all of us, I totally get it. If you want to talk to me, you know I'm always here. I like talking to you guys. If you don't want to, I understand, and, more importantly, I don't blame you, because I probably wouldn't either. But, you're both probably wondering wtf is going on, and you're owed an explanation. Even though Rob might have already sent this to you, here it is again:

Helen wrote:
That Ted was playing the fuck out of both sides, and doing a brilliant job of it, while sitting pretty in the middle and being completely unexposed. No one even realized it.

Even though Brian and I were urging Helios to vote for Shawna at F10, it wasn't until Ted said "Shawna"s name on his own that the tide turned, and he picked the first boot. Ted flocked to Helios to take out Shawna.

Last round, he was claiming to be with Penny and her 4-3-2 or 3-3-3 plan, but wanted Daniel out. Which, I was prone to agree with actually, because I wanted Shawna/Daniel as the first two boots, too, but some convincing was required of the others. Ted didn't like that, so he approached you guys and had that taken care of, and acted like it wasn't his plan (which you admitted, it was).

This round, he played coy with us while approaching you guys with the 3-3-2 plan. Then, when you asked me about it, and I asked Ted, he acted as though it was the first time he'd heard of it---even thought you said it was his plan. But really, he wanted Erin out most, which is why, if you'd notice, it should've been 2 votes Erin (you/Ted) and 2 votes Penny (Christy/Joanna), but Ted voted Erin because he felt like it.

Not to mention he was an IC threat, no one could tell he was walking the line between each side, and getting us alternate picking off members of each tribe until he was left in the middle at the end for a certain F3 spot. That's why, I think, his response to being voted out was the way that it was. He knew what he was doing when he near singlehandedly controlled the first three rounds of this merge, and he was perfectly in the middle for safety.

Because of him being in the middle, we'd have no idea where his allegiances actually were, and anytime he wanted something done, he'd do it himself and do it covertly. And if we approached you guys to take Ted out, you could've (and SHOULD have, in that case) easily seen through us being wishy-washy for three rounds now, taken Ted, and gone to the F4 with all Asteria. And frankly, for all we know, Ted would've made sure of that happening because no one knows (maybe you do, but not me, at least) what his plan was this entire time. Now, am I saying you WOULD have done that (because you've shown your trust time and time again), no, absolutely not. But, frankly, it would've been your best move, and that's why it would be dangerous even putting the available option out there.

There's more I have to say, surely, but you've been waiting for this long enough. And I'm probably going to send this exact same thing to Joanna/Christy because they deserve to know, too.




Joanna (to Helen): oh don't worry i dont trust you i've made that clear but Christy and Rob have something for you. idk what it is but whatever. i appreciate you coming to me and telling me this though.





Christy (to Helen): sooo, you fucked us over again. Shame on me. What's your plan now? Are you going to pagong Asteria?
Christy (to Helen): Thank you for the explanation, and I think I might've done the same thing in your position. I'm not sure. But it makes sense, and as I did it before, I'm not going to bitter or angry about it. At the end of the day, this is just a game. I actually thought that Ted had a deal with the two of you, because you were the only ones to cast eliminationvotes at the first two rounds.

Obviously I don't like the developements , but I have to deal with it. It's time for me make a change in my mentality. What's going to happen tonight?
Helen (to Christy): For the record, even though it probably means nothing to you, I really do appreciate the way that you're handling the situation. It's been a while since I've been in the ORG circuit, but I can say that years ago, there were times that I didn't handle it the way that you are, and since maturing from that time, I not only wish that I had been able to, but also think and hope that if I were to be in the same situation now (or even if I do end up in it tonight or next week), that I'll be able to do the same.

I sent Rob a long message about the game theory of it all just to explain myself and why (at least in my mind), I avoided unnecessary lies and deceptions as much as possible in this move and each of the ones prior. But truly, you'd have probably been a better audience for it, although it's far longer than the messages that you prefer to receive, so, for that, I'll leave it in his inbox exclusively.

At this point, as far as I'm concerned, my loyalty goes to Helios. I've enjoyed playing the game with you guys, and I'm glad that you guys are still around, but now it's time for me to setup camp and finish playing with them, and put an end to the lies and deceit in the "positioning" stage of post-merge. Sure, I could lie to you again to try to regain your trust and misplace your votes and blah blah blah, but frankly, even in my mind, that would be excessive lying.

I'd be dumbfounded if you'd actually trust us again, and not take any gift we'd give you as an opportunity to pick us off, or more appropriately, pick me off like I surely deserve (be it for strategy, appeasing the jury's hatred, or flat out revenge). I'd like to think that the girls will stay loyal to us tonight, as well, since they'd be dumb to team up with a threesome against their two or want to face you guys in finals, but anyone in your position can and should and will pull at any straws they have, and I get that.

I'd expect us to vote as a block against you guys, trying to avoid your idol, while you guys vote against us, and try to avoid ours, which should be in place as a safeguard in case we do hit yours. But I only have control over one of those seven votes, so I surely can't say anything for certain. But that's the most likely situation that we've probably both already thought of, and it's not in my nature to resort to borderline unnecessary lying to try to continue to hide that for practically no reason.
Christy (to Helen): Aw, that's sweet, thanks. I think if you play these games you have to learn how to not get emotionally attached. In my first game I was, and thanks to that I made some erratic decisions down the road.

You can c/p the game theory, because the only reason I don't really like long messages, is that if I have to respond to it

Yes, Helios, who would've thought. Certainly not me. But who am I to take the higher moral road, I would've stuck with Asteria if I were in the majority, so I'm not one to judge. Obviously, that's not the case though, so I'm not sure what will happen.

But I appreciate the blunt honesty. At least I don't have to deal with analyzing every line of yours to see if you're lying through your teeth or not.
Helen (to Christy): Oh trust me, let's not get started on talking about playing ORGs at an age of less maturity. So much embarrassment. My worst is being betrayed by my closest ORG friend (who I still frequently talk to, and occasionally see) at F3 of one of the most disorganized games ever, just for him to get 2nd. Emotional investment only leads to bad things. Even as a reality TV fan, I've learned to watch for entertainment and not favoritism, because it's just too hard.

Christy wrote:
But who am I to take the higher moral road, I would've stuck with Asteria if I were in the majority, so I'm not one to judge.


I'm glad you're honest about it, because surely you're aware that I have to endure Rob's guilt-train about how he'd never have NOT brought Brian/me to F4 with you given the chance (which I'm not saying he's lying, he's insisted tens of times to the contrary and I'm not to disagree, but if you have a better move to make, I can't fault you for making it). It's just that his argument doesn't really stand since his "displays of loyalty" included voting out Penny, Daniel, and then Penny again. Why would any of that NOT be in his best interests?

And for the record, I don't have a problem with him seeing ANY of part or all of these messages, it's just happening that I think of things while messaging you versus him.

Don't feel the need to respond to anything in quotes, but hopefully you can have fun with it. I thought that I had more, actually, but most of the rest of it was just "I get it if you hate me" stuff.

Helen wrote:
The game that we and I have played here is making sure that my fate is in my own hands. Not leaving Ted to team up with XYZ and take us out. Not leaving Daniel to team up with ZYX and take us out. Not leaving Asteria to... you get it. It's not that I deliberately go out of my way to shit on you, because, I'll tell you after this game that I actually genuinely like you and like talking to you (even though you'll surely neither trust me nor want to have anything to do with me). And that if I was on the same original tribe as you, instead of Brian being there, or probably even if you and he were together and I was alone, that things would probably be completely different right now.

I've said it so much that you're probably sick of hearing it and don't even want to hear it anymore: yes, you've given me every indication to trust you. You haven't wavered. But it is in my very nature to expect everyone to make the best move for themselves in this game. I don't lie to for no reason and to be a jack ass, at least I don't intend to, but I do it to be cautious, since even when my brain and heart and reason tell me otherwise, when there's a possible motivation for someone to take the upper hand and cut me, I don't want to let them have it, even if in my heart I'd not expect them to take it. If it wasn't you sitting over there and someone else in your place, they could very well have taken situations that I could hand to you (that you would use to prove your trust and go to the end with our F4) that the other person would use to slit my throat, and that's why I do it. But you're saying you wouldn't do that, and I believe that, and that makes me more of an asshole, but it's the approach I know how to take.


More detail can surely come with questioning or post-game. Our conversation continued to debate the validity of the reasons for eliminating Shawna, explaining why I find playing with game theory to be fun even though he doesn't regard it as a valid strategy, and the spectrum of varying levels of "necessary-ness of lies" and where mine fall. Can be c/p-ed if you want any of that.

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Helen (to Christy): Oh, and for the record, Penny doesn't listen to or believe anything that I say. In fact, if I tell her that I disagree with her plan, she's more inclined to demand that we go for it. Even if I were to copy/paste to her a quote saying that you were lying about everything and were actually going to physically stab her tonight, listing her home address and linking to a live GPS tracker en route to it, she'd think that I was fabricating it all.

But just for my own sanity (especially after she believed your logically-impossible lies to her last round that you and Joanna were voting Rob), you are lying to her right now, right? A "Yes"/"No" will suffice if you want limit content to preserve deniability.
Christy (to Helen): No, I'm voting for Rob tonight. Gotta do what I gotta do, and I won't fair with him. He dragged me into the alliance with you, he constantly bullies me, and he's a threat. I wanted her to tell you instead of me. Idk what she told to you, but my reason were logical, jsyk.
Helen (to Christy): ahahaha okay sure
Christy (to Helen): I'll talk with you about this after this challenge, because I get the impression that she lied to you.
Helen (to Christy): Okay, care to elaborate?
Christy (to Helen): gj on immunity!

What did she say to you? I can only correct her, if I know what to correct.
Helen (to Christy): Thanks! Why don't you just tell me though? She said who you're voting for, who is that?
Christy (to Helen): I'm voting for Rob.





Rob (to Helen):
Helen (to Rob): Haha, you don't really want to know. That's a much better response than I expected though, but the anger is probably soon to follow now... yes?
Rob (to Helen): Yes I fucking do want to know, are you fucking joking?
Helen (to Rob): That Ted was playing the fuck out of both sides, and doing a brilliant job of it, while sitting pretty in the middle and being completely unexposed. No one even realized it.

Even though Brian and I were urging Helios to vote for Shawna at F10, it wasn't until Ted said "Shawna"s name on his own that the tide turned, and he picked the first boot. Ted flocked to Helios to take out Shawna.

Last round, he was claiming to be with Penny and her 4-3-2 or 3-3-3 plan, but wanted Daniel out. Which, I was prone to agree with actually, because I wanted Shawna/Daniel as the first two boots, too, but some convincing was required of the others. Ted didn't like that, so he approached you guys and had that taken care of, and acted like it wasn't his plan (which you admitted, it was).

This round, he played coy with us while approaching you guys with the 3-3-2 plan. Then, when you asked me about it, and I asked Ted, he acted as though it was the first time he'd heard of it---even thought you said it was his plan. But really, he wanted Erin out most, which is why, if you'd notice, it should've been 2 votes Erin (you/Ted) and 2 votes Penny (Christy/Joanna), but Ted voted Erin because he felt like it.

Not to mention he was an IC threat, no one could tell he was walking the line between each side, and getting us alternate picking off members of each tribe until he was left in the middle at the end for a certain F3 spot. That's why, I think, his response to being voted out was the way that it was. He knew what he was doing when he near singlehandedly controlled the first three rounds of this merge, and he was perfectly in the middle for safety.

Because of him being in the middle, we'd have no idea where his allegiances actually were, and anytime he wanted something done, he'd do it himself and do it covertly. And if we approached you guys to take Ted out, you could've (and SHOULD have, in that case) easily seen through us being wishy-washy for three rounds now, taken Ted, and gone to the F4 with all Asteria. And frankly, for all we know, Ted would've made sure of that happening because no one knows (maybe you do, but not me, at least) what his plan was this entire time. Now, am I saying you WOULD have done that (because you've shown your trust time and time again), no, absolutely not. But, frankly, it would've been your best move, and that's why it would be dangerous even putting the available option out there.

There's more I have to say, surely, but you've been waiting for this long enough. And I'm probably going to send this exact same thing to Joanna/Christy because they deserve to know, too.
Rob (to Helen): I wanted to vote out Ted too. I didn't trust him. I knew he thought he had control because I was letting him think that. If you'd have told me you wanted to boot him tonight, I would have gladly gone along with it. But for some reason, despite everything I have done for you and despite how honest I have been with you this entire game, you still decided that you didn't trust me enough and that the better alternative to telling me was fucking me over and making me look like an idiot.
Helen (to Rob): And, just like last time, I feel like a douche, as I deserve to, because I fucking am one for lying to you about voting again and again.

I had no way of knowing that you wanted Ted out, the same way you probably had no idea that I did.

The game that we and I have played here is making sure that my fate is in my own hands. Not leaving Ted to team up with XYZ and take us out. Not leaving Daniel to team up with ZYX and take us out. Not leaving Asteria to... you get it. It's not that I deliberately go out of my way to shit on you, because, I'll tell you after this game that I actually genuinely like you and like talking to you (even though you'll surely neither trust me nor want to have anything to do with me). And that if I was on the same original tribe as you, instead of Brian being there, or probably even if you and he were together and I was alone, that things would probably be completely different right now.

I've said it so much that you're probably sick of hearing it and don't even want to hear it anymore: yes, you've given me every indication to trust you. You haven't wavered. But it is in my very nature to expect everyone to make the best move for themselves in this game. I don't lie to for no reason and to be a jack ass, at least I don't intend to, but I do it to be cautious, since even when my brain and heart and reason tell me otherwise, when there's a possible motivation for someone to take the upper hand and cut me, I don't want to let them have it, even if in my heart I'd not expect them to take it. If it wasn't you sitting over there and someone else in your place, they could very well have taken situations that I could hand to you (that you would use to prove your trust and go to the end with our F4) that the other person would use to slit my throat, and that's why I do it. But you're saying you wouldn't do that, and I believe that, and that makes me more of an asshole, but it's the approach I know how to take.

I don't expect you to like any of this, or me. And I don't expect you to necessarily accept it, either. And if you hold it against me during, at the end of, or after the game, I totally get that, too. But maybe this gives you more insight into why I do what I do, and you don't think I'm just trying to be belligerent for no reason. It's just game theory. And if that makes you think that I suck, and you never are going to speak or trust me again, then I deserve it. I accept that the game I'm playing will probably get me cut far before finals, and even if I don't, will doubtful lead to enough good will to win, but it's the game that I play anyways because it's the best way I can approach the game. Not giving people to the opportunity to cut you when they have the chance to, even if you don't think they'd take it. Is it fair, to do that to you, when you've proven to be nothing but honest? No. It's not. And I'm sorry for that.
Rob (to Helen): Sure, you had no way of knowing, but you certainly had way to find out. For example, asking "Would you consider booting Ted?" Rather than bold faced lies. Questions tend to work better at information discovery than bold faced lies do.

And I don't know how many times I have to tell you that your fate was NOT going to be put in the hands of others. You claim to trust me and you even admit that you had no reason not to. The split vote would have guaranteed that Penny or Erin left, which put us in the F7 and that gave you a 100% chance of making it to the F3. I guess 100% aren't good enough odds for you

Helen wrote:
If it wasn't you sitting over there and someone else in your place, they could very well have taken situations that I could hand to you (that you would use to prove your trust and go to the end with our F4) that the other person would use to slit my throat, and that's why I do it.


You just answered your own question. "If it wasn't you sitting over there and someone else in your place." Totally irrelevant. It's not someone else. It's me. Someone else very well may have taken that as an opportunity to screw you over. I'm not denying that. I wouldn't have, and you know that I wouldn't have, but despite knowing that I'd never screw you over, you decide it would be not only a GOOD idea, but the BEST idea, to screw over twice and to screw my two allies over twice. You've now screwed over every single person who has made or who will make the jury. No matter who else is in the F3 with you, be it Erin or Penny, they won't have done that and they will win. I would honestly vote for Penny over you at this point because Penny got to where she was without having to needlessly and almost viciously lie to people and come up with elaborate complex plans that you don't intend to keep anyway.

And your whole paragraph about game theory is, quite frankly, boloney. We aren't playing Candy Land. Simple game theory doesn't really apply. This is a game about relationships that are necessary to no only succeed, but to win. If I get voted out next, I can take comfort in the fact that I have made two great friends in Christy and Joanna. If Penny goes next, she'll take comfort in the fact that she had made a great friend in Erin. Regardless of the outcome, Penny and I will both take comfort in the fact that we had a great rivalry that was not only intense and slightly spiteful, but also really fun. What are you going to take comfort in when this game is over? Is winning a game (that has no prize money, mind you) but having everyone in the game hate your guts for it going to be worth it? It may be for you. It's not for me.

The one overriding thing that makes you so hard to believe is that you have told me on countless occasions that you have such a loathsome hatred of Penny and can't think of anything you would rather see than her smug ass get booted, and yet on the two instances that we had a pretty much 100% chance of booting her, you instead chose to boot Shawna, who is about as useful as the toilet paper I just used to wipe my ass, and Ted, who only had fake power and who was going to be the next boot anyway. In doing both of those things, you also totally alienated three future jurors who aren't going to want to have anything to do with you, and you have successfully handed the win to Erin or Penny. So your goal was to come into this game and pave a road for someone else to ride to victory, then congratulations, you were successful.

The only reason I am even bothering mentioning all of this is because it is not too late to make it right.
Helen (to Rob): Rob wrote:
For example, asking "Would you consider booting Ted?" Rather than bold faced lies. Questions tend to work better at information discovery than bold faced lies do.


We just stand on different sides of the fence. You stand to think that we had nothing to lose by sharing with you that we were going to target someone who could've easily joined your side if he knew we wanted him out. I think differently. The same extends to the previous rounds. But after everything that we've been through so far, if I were to lie again to you today, to try to convince you not to play your idol or to play it on the wrong person? That's something that I'd call over-the-top and bold faced, and that's why I'm not doing it, but that line is different for each person. That's why you call them bold faced lies and unnecessary lies, and that's surely your opinion, but I think differently, that's all.

Even though you'd probably think differently, I'm happy with the game I've played. Drawing out all of the different contingencies and complexities and plans and alliances and extremities and taking that game theory approach to it (even if you don't consider it a valid strategy), I found my experience and continue to find it fun---whether I get voted out tonight, or win, or lose to a jury that eats me alive, I'm satisfied. You find fun in some elements of this experience, and I do the same. It's not like it's a zero-sum game where you leaving with positive memories means that I can't, or that our criteria for a positive memory needs to be the same.

And I've thoroughly enjoyed talking to you guys throughout. I haven't enjoyed lying to you or deceiving you, but talking to you, yes, even if you choose to never speak to me after this game, that's fine. I've played heaps of ORGs, some of which have lead to making tremendously close real-life friends that I still talk to regularly over five years later. Some of which I've screwed over, and some of which screwed me, but if it's meant to be, it works out in the end. The others, though, do tend to fall off the face of the earth post-game, but that's more attributed to the natural progression of things than anything else. So whatever the personal outcome this week and next, I'll live.

You've called into question the plan of eliminating Shawna, and the answer's pretty simple. At the last TC, you said that you thought Shawna and Daniel were the two that made the merge who didn't deserve to make F8. You want to keep around the people that are fun to play with, not people that don't talk, or don't talk to you. Now look at the six Asterias that made the merge. The three that you'd have wanted to be the last ones standing still are. And that's because for 6 people, and then 6 people, and then 4 people, it was in their best interests to take out the other three. The same way that it was in your best interests to target Penny, Daniel, and Penny/Erin---frankly, whether the deal with me stood or not.

I understand that you don't have many moves that you can make from the position that you're in, and one of those moves is appealing to my sense of guilt and emotion in the way that you have (which, mind you, I'm not at all disputing coincides with how you feel; in fact, I think it all to be genuine). But it's still the very principle of my game to look out for my best interests by assuming that everyone else is acting on their own best interests---even if my heart and my trust in people tells me otherwise---and that's why we fundamentally disagree on things. I would be dumbfounded if you'd actually trust us again, and, much less, not use that kind of a gift as an opportunity to dish us a very deserved helping of revenge. Accordingly, I'd be surprised if the girls joined up with you, simply because it'd be dumb for them to walk into a three-on-two against a group that could likely beat them in finals, but crazier things have happened.

But if you go on to win, or take me out, or take out all of Helios (be it tonight or next week or at the bitter end), I'll still be cheering, and say "good game." But you haven't put me in the same position that I've put you, so I understand if it's not mutual.
Rob (to Helen): So basically, what you're saying is "tough luck pal, you're on your own and I'm not working with you ever again."
Helen (to Rob): No, I'm not saying that. But for someone who's chastised me for lying to you so much, given that I'm not planning to vote with you for this round, at least, to show my loyalty to the girls, I'd be surprised if you'd not want me to actually be truthful with you about that instead of leading you on.

Every round is different, you've seen that; we'll see where things go, and anything can happen now or in the future. But it's not in my best interests right now to turn on Erin and Penny or give them any reason to think me disloyal, given the track record. Much less, to bold face lie to you about it would result in nothing more than trying to mislead your actions with the idol to minimize any chance you have, and that's something I'm not going to do, and I'm telling it to you frankly, like you've asked of me so many times.
Rob (to Helen): Why do you have to prove your loyalty to them? You don't fucking owe them shit. Don't let them wrap you around their finger like they think they already have.
Rob (to Helen): And if you're going to be truthful like you claim, then you can tell me who are you voting for tonight?
Helen (to Rob): Being truthful means that I owe it to you not to lie to you, not that I have to tell you everything. But I understand you had to try.
Rob (to Helen): No response to be wrapped around Penny's finger, I see.

You should hear the things she has been saying about you since the merge.
Helen (to Rob): That I'm whipped? haha feel free to share, sharing is caring
Rob (to Helen): I'm not gonna lie to you but I don't have to tell you everything....
Helen (to Rob): I'll take it! At least we still have humor.
Rob (to Helen): I'm not even trying to be funny though. And when she turns on you, don't try to say that I didn't warn you
Helen (to Rob): Oh, I know. She's tried to make enough bad moves that I should know to expect it without your warning. I'd suppose that you're ultimatum would be that we vote together to take her out... again, huh?
Rob (to Helen): I'm not gonna make an ultimatium. I wouldn't trust you to come through. But I'll just say that if you'd like to survive past the next TC, I'd suggest that myself, Christy and Joanna all survive tonight's.
Helen (to Rob): Rob wrote:
I wouldn't trust you to come through.


I'm glad we're being honest.

How would you suggest I do that, then? I only have one vote. Even with Brian, that makes two. With your votes (rightfully so) kept a secret, there's no way to eliminate someone with two votes out of seven.
Rob (to Helen): What I do or what I want is irrelevant. What's important is what you want. Do you want to still be in the game on Monday? If not, then vote out me, Christy or Joanna tonight.

Our votes shouldn't be too hard to figure out anyway.
Helen (to Rob): Oh no, I totally get what you're saying. Three votes on me, check. If we hit your idol, I'm gone, check. That means that the other four votes have to be a majority on someone besides you, Christy, and Joanna for me not to be voted out. But, those four votes are all Helios. And the only people on the tribe besides you, Christy, and Joanna are Helios. There's no way to put all four Helios votes on one of the four people in Helios. Given the rules of the game (not being able to vote for yourself), that's impossible. Meaning, you're actually essentially telling me that my only chance of not getting voted out tonight is by not hitting the idol, so shouldn't that encourage me to vote for one of you? I must be missing something here, right?
Rob (to Helen): That's not what I mean. You're safe tonight. Can't say the same for the next TC.
Helen (to Rob): Because you're saying that it would behove Erin/Penny (or whichever one is still standing if one of them ends up falling tonight to your idol), to jump ship with the remaining Asteria for a 4-2 or 5-1 next round, yes?
Rob (to Helen): You claim to always want to prevent people from being able to do something to take you out. I think you're smart enough to figure it out.
Helen (to Rob): I mean, the plus is, if I mislead you (for no reason) and lie to you about how I'm planning to vote again tonight, I'll get to see another wittily titled messaged of yours if you're still around after TC
Rob (to Helen): Too bad you won't see one on Monday :(
Helen (to Rob): AWWWW don't make me upset. I care more about the witty titles than staying in the game. Can you post them for me in TC, anyways. I promise that I'll always quote/smiley them.
Rob (to Helen): I don't know why you're so willing to sit back and accept 6th place.
Helen (to Rob): I ALWAYS get sixth place! It's actually as good as winning for me, since I'm continuing the streak. It's most disappointing when I play Dog Eat Dog or Fear Factor, if you know what I mean

But seriously, we can chat after le challenge. You can say whatever you say, and I'll not let it fall on deaf ears.




Erin (to Brian, Helen, Penny): WE DID IT YET AGAIN! I don't know when Carl's gonna put back the HII in its forum (since it's empty and all). But, we've seized the moment and taken back control!
Brian (to Erin, Helen, Penny): SUCCESS. Now one of those 3 has to go next round, or we'll be in a bad situation.

The second we see a post in there, let's get idol hunting with our Greek terms.
Helen (to Brian, Erin, Penny): Ted said before he left that the idol expires at F6, so if he was being honest (hopefully), it has two rounds to be left in play. If it doesn't get put back, we can safely assume that Rob has the idol, since he's the only one that took clues all along.
Helen (to Brian, Erin, Penny): Here's our list, in case it goes up later tonight. Ted also confirmed (hopefully) the idol password is lowercase. If the idol goes up after tonight, Penny (who should be back from her break today) can just take the lower part of each of the lists while we work from the top-down, unless someone wants to re-do the word assignments.

GOOD JOB TEAM! WOOHOO! Road to the final four!

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Erin (to Brian, Helen, Penny): Christy wants to separate Brian/Helen. I'm pretending to be interested to see what her plan is.
Brian (to Erin, Helen, Penny): Thanks, keep us informed! Rob's sending a bunch of questions about what happened last vote out to me right now. We should definitely keep Ted's idol a secret still so they still think that Erin has one and we can use that in our favor to surprise them hopefully.
Helen (to Brian, Erin, Penny): Agreed with Brian about the idol.

And thanks for letting us know, Erin! You're wonderful

I'll keep you guys up to date on what Rob is saying to me. Right now it's just trying to figure out what happened.

Chances are, he'll probably try to "serve us right" and even lie about us approaching him with more deals this round, to all four of us about the others. But any deals between us and them wouldn't even make sense, and here's why:

If any of the four of us go this round, they'll definitely force a 3v3 tie at F6, which is a problem (and Rob might have his idol then TOO, which makes it worse). Not to mention, any of them making finals is a guaranteed win. So keeping communication flawless between us for the next 24 hours to make it to F6 is crucial to our path to the F4.

Sorry if they sounded like marching orders, meant more to be inspirational!? WE ROCK! Can't wait til you check back later, Penny.

HELIOS <3
Erin (to Brian, Helen, Penny): Definitely. I was going to write the idol in my farewell to Ted bu then, realized that would be the worst game move ever. If they still think I have it, I'm not going to stop them.
Erin (to Brian, Helen, Penny): Christy "doesn't mind" going with the F3 with myself and Penny. And frankly, I'll believe her because then she'll win. And that's not happening. I told her we vote out an Asterian first and then, we split you up. Boy, she thinks I'm dumb.
Brian (to Erin, Helen, Penny): Thanks for the updates!

Rob's trying to play the angry/emotionally hurt angle to get back me and Helen, it appears.

Rob wrote:
But the thing is, I wanted to get rid of Ted too. I didn't trust him at all. I wanted to get rid of him next. If you had told me about it, I'd have voted him out this time, but for some reason you didn't trust me enough to tell me.
Helen (to Brian, Erin, Penny): I'm getting the same thing. But somewhat worse lol

Rob wrote:
I wanted to vote out Ted too. I didn't trust him. I knew he thought he had control because I was letting him think that. If you'd have told me you wanted to boot him tonight, I would have gladly gone along with it. But for some reason, despite everything I have done for you and despite how honest I have been with you this entire game, you still decided that you didn't trust me enough and that the better alternative to telling me was fucking me over and making me look like an idiot.
Erin (to Brian, Helen, Penny): I hate how transparently fake he is. He thinks he's a smooth talker. What a douche. I lied at TC. The last person I would vote for to win this game is Rob. What a douche.
Erin (to Brian, Helen, Penny): I'm talking to Joanna and she confirmed that Rob has the idol. She also said that she asked for it tonight but he was confident she didn't need it. I don't know if it's reliable or not but at least, we know something now though I'm not sure what.
Brian (to Erin, Helen, Penny): Alright. I think we all figured that Rob had the idol, but hearing it from someone on Asteria is nice. Perhaps we can use what she says about whether or not he's going to play it or give it away at tribal council to make sure we're choosing the right target. But we have to figure out if she's telling the truth or using it throw off our target.

I'm tired out, so have a good night, Helios!
Penny (to Brian, Erin, Helen): So I just logged on and I have 22 unread messages. Pretty much all from you guys.

SO GLAD IT ALL WORKED OUT TODAY!!! <333

Somebody want to sum up what I am too lazy to read? Lol.
Penny (to Brian, Erin, Helen): I read it and its mostly Rob bashing.

Here's just my two cents.

If we vote Christy out tomorrow (the bigger Immunity thread out of her and Joanna) then at the following vote we just have to split the votes between Rob and Joanna. Fair enough we dont know what the tie breaker system is, but this is our best bet IMO to negate the Idol.
Erin (to Brian, Helen, Penny): So what are we doing tonight guys in order to combat Rob's idol? I'm pretty sure he's going to play it today so...
Brian (to Erin, Helen, Penny): Pretty much we need to make sure that 1 of those 3 doesn't win immunity. Because that would mean we'd have a 1/2 chance of guessing the wrong person to target rather than a 1/3 chance if the idol's played.

Any idea if Rob will play the idol on himself, Christy, or Joanna? We just have to guess the right target to give our 4 votes to.
Helen (to Brian, Erin, Penny): Yeah, I'm down with Penny's plan from before. Is there anything that Joanna said to give you insight as to who they might play it on? Or have you guys made any "deals" with them to mislead them and establish particular targets (on their side) that we should avoid voting for?
Helen (to Brian, Erin, Penny): And for any of you playing our home game, Rob has still been sending sporadic messages throughout the day to reinforce his attempt at a "guilt plan," all culminating in this doozy.

Rob wrote:
Why do you have to prove your loyalty to them? You don't fucking owe them shit. Don't let them wrap you around their finger like they think they already have. And if you're going to be truthful like you claim, then you can tell me who are you voting for tonight?


Any takers?
Erin (to Brian, Helen, Penny): I can't believe our "Helios is sooo divided" plan is still working Are we masters of mindfuckery or do they just suck that much?
Brian (to Erin, Helen, Penny): Rob wrote:
You have no reason not to trust me, you realize that right? I have never lied to you and I have never betrayed you.

Omg, he's trying so hard.
Erin (to Brian, Helen, Penny): If that's the case, ask him if he has the idol or not and if he will play it tonight or not.
Helen (to Brian, Erin, Penny): Something just occurred to me. What if the reason the idol hasn't resurfaced is because no clues have become available yet?

Pre-merge clues came by giving your tribe a disadvantage in the tribal IC. What if post-merge clues come by sitting out of the individual IC? And then, the idol might become available afterwards, not giving us enough time to work through that list of words that we've had sitting around before TC. I just know that they'd do that to us

Any thoughts if there's a way we could plan for that?
Erin (to Brian, Helen, Penny): It's possible but then it wouldn't be anonymous like it was during the pre-merge. Unless you get a disadvantage in the IC itself but it's not revealed who has the disdvantage? Idk
Penny (to Brian, Erin, Helen): Hey guys. Ive only just got online, here's what I have to share with all of you.

Christy came to me yesterday and said she was desperate to stay in the game and that she'd be willing to go along with a split vote plan to vote out Rob because of his Idol.

Im thinking; if Brian, Helen and Erin stack their votes on Christy then I will vote Rob. Im pretty sure Rob will vote me and if Christy and Joanna vote with us, it'll be a tie between them.

I am pretty sure they are going to vote with us. Christy is still buying the split Helios idea. So ive told her that Erin and I have no person to take with us to the Final 3 and if she helped us boot Rob, that I would consider it a repayment type thing to take her to the end.

So here's what I think under the best circumstances;

Brian-Erin-Helen: Vote Christy
Penny-Christy-Joanna: Vote Rob
Rob: Vote whoever.

If Rob plays the Idol, Christy goes home, regardless of whether Christy or Joanna vote with him or not. If we go to a Rob-Christy tie, I'll just tell her that Helen and Brian betrayed us again and must have blackmailed Erin into it somehow. Easy peesy.
Erin (to Brian, Helen, Penny): This will also ensure that if Christy and Joanna vote with Rob, in case of a revote, we get rid of Christy. The only problem is if Rob decides to give Christy his idol.
Penny (to Brian, Erin, Helen): Ill be telling Christy that the Helios members will be voting Joanna. Im pretty sure she'll believe me.
Helen (to Brian, Erin, Penny): Rob playing his idol on whoever our votes go to will be an issue regardless, unless Christy/Joanna are honest that they're voting for Rob (which, mind you, they have BOTH said before, and not followed through with).

The thing that we'd need to worry about then is that the three of them DO vote together, and the tiebreaker is automatically picking rocks (for which, if they have immunity and play the idol on the wrong person, we'd have a 4/5 chance of losing). The only reason I bring it up is that the old tiebreaker did NOT include a re-vote, and they've deliberately not told us what the new tiebreaker is meaning they have the freedom to make it whatever they please tonight, likely picking something to keep the game more interesting, and we need to plan for that. That leaves us with the chance of having one of our own eliminated tonight AND Rob still having the idol next round. Christy and Joanna could both be lying with this exact scenario in mind.

I'm up for what the group decides.
Penny (to Brian, Erin, Helen): We need to ensure Rob plays his Idol though thats all and the longer we wait the further in the game he gets and theres a bigger chance of him winning Immunity at a really shitty moment for us.

He needs to go now.
Brian (to Erin, Helen, Penny): Yeah, I'm up for this. I think it's the best plan that we have. There are risks, but there are risks either way like the idol being played on the target.

I guess the biggest problem is we don't necessarily know what the tiebreaker procedure is or if we're even going to re-vote. But hopefully it won't come down to that anyway.
Helen (to Brian, Erin, Penny): Yeah, I'm for it if everyone else is.

I'm just making sure that everyone knows, expects, and agrees to what we're potentially getting into, and that is: the staff can (and probably will, because it is their right to) decide on whatever tiebreaker they please for this evening to keep the game the most interesting. Having a re-vote, or any kind of breaker that would automatically fall in favor of Helios the majority, will not happen. That may even include the IC winner still deciding the tie, which if it's an Asteria, would leave Rob in the game with his idol for next round anyways.

I am on board for whatever the tribe is; it's your guys decision and I will follow it, no question. But I just want to make sure that everyone understands the risks going into it, because it has the potential to affect all of us, or one of us specifically, tonight.
Helen (to Brian, Erin, Penny): Oh, and just a reminder that idol expires next round (courtesy of Ted).
Penny (to Brian, Erin, Helen): We're going to have to count on beating Rob at the Final 5 IC then. Since if we play it safe tonight and eliminate Christy and then vote for Joanna the round after since Rob will be playing his Idol, then thats the only time we can get rid of him.

Im wondering if he actually has it at all, and whether or not just lumping all our votes on Rob would be in effect the best thing to do.
Brian (to Erin, Helen, Penny): I'm pretty sure that Rob does have the idol. If Ted could find it with 2 clues, then someone on Asteria probably found it pretty easily as well. Like with Ted, it was also a good fail-safe if things went wrong after he mutinied.
Helen (to Brian, Erin, Penny): Yeah, I'd say that Rob has it because no idol has resurfaced, and he took clues the first three rounds of the game (before deliberately having his alliance take a clue in round four to throw the challenge).

Again, I'm all for whatever plan we're going with, be it the 3-3-1 or the 4-3, but my only other point to bring attention to is this:

If Christy is telling the truth about being willing to force a tie, why would she force a tie between two of her best allies (Rob/Joanna, who will get the votes in her mind) when she can just as easily force a tie between Joanna/[member of Helios] with the votes of herself, Joanna, and Rob. If she's willing to force a tie, and deal with the tiebreaker routine, why would should willingly have that tie be between two Asterias when she's able to make it between an Asteria and a Helios?

Also, if anyone's been looking at "Who is online" these past few minutes, it appears that Rob/Christy have been messaging back and forth.

I'm up for anything, as long as we do it together, and we all know what to expect.
Penny (to Brian, Erin, Helen): Ok so ive told Christy that we are down for her split vote plan. I just thought of another scenario:

If Christy and Joanna do try to screw us, they'll go to Rob and tell him about the split vote plan. Now they know that im voting Rob and the rest of us are voting 'Joanna' so they would play the Idol on Joanna thinking they could negate the Helios votes and vote one of us out with 3 votes.

So if you three vote Christy. That plan goes to shit, as Joanna wont get any votes, Rob loses the Idol and whatever tiebreaker scenario eventuates we'll have to sort out, but at the very least, Rob's Idol is wasted.
808 Re: This is going to be weird Christy Rob 88.132.142.241 20.01.2012, 02:26
lulz

Funny thing, Penny actually wants to boot Helen next round.

Here's the thing: You are too trusting of them. It may work out this round, but it never worked out before. When they said they'd vote with us, they didn't. When they said they won't vote with us, they did. I don't think her words mean a lot to be honest.
Penny (to Brian, Erin, Helen): I told Joanna we would be splitting the votes and if she didnt vote with us, she'd be going home.

I also told her if she told Rob about the split vote that he would play the Idol on himself and she'd go home.

It really is in her best interests to vote with us.

Christy is confident it'll be a re-vote if its a tie. At which point we just pile our votes onto Rob.

I know its risky trusting them, but Christy is confident that Erin and I will pick her over you two. So I think she is being genuine.
Brian (to Erin, Helen, Penny): At this point with a little over 10 minutes until the challenge, I think that's our best bet. Brian/Erin/Helen voting for Christy, Penny voting for Rob, and then hoping Christy/Joanna come through, and if not, at least forcing a tie with Christy as one of the votes and hopefully sending her out in a re-vote.
Penny (to Brian, Erin, Helen): The tie rules wont be something ridiculous. We've earned our majority and the hosts shouldnt be able to influence the game to such an extent where they would favor the other side. If they did, then this game would lose its feeling for me anyway and I wouldnt want to be staying in a game where the hosts influence the game in one person's favor over another. But anyway...

Surely the tie should be a re-vote as thats the fairest solution. On the re-vote we all pack our votes on Rob.

This should ensure that 1 of 2 Immunity threats are eliminated. Christy or Rob.

Plus Rob's Idol will either be flushed, or he will go home with it.
Erin (to Brian, Helen, Penny): Congrats Helen! It's also the third time someone's taken Immunity from me. sigh

Let's hope the tiebreaker is a revote or Helen gets to choose who goes home. Let's do this! HELIOS!
Penny (to Brian, Erin, Helen): Joanna and Christy are both voting Rob since its the only way to save themselves. I reckon this will work.

Erin-Helen-Brian: Vote Christy

Penny-Joanna-Christy: Vote Rob.

If there is a re-vote, we all switch to Rob first and foremost. Or Christy if Christy and Joanna flip on us.

In the event of a tiebreaker challenge, it will probably be a Fire image hidden somewhere in the forum and the two players have to find the image of Fire. First person will obviously win.

Good luck everybody! <3
Brian (to Erin, Helen, Penny): Alright, I'm voting Christy. And Rob is the first priority to go on a potential re-vote, followed by Christy if Rob's not eligible to be voted for.

Let's hope this works and one of us doesn't get idoled out, or taken out in a tiebreaker.
Helen (to Brian, Erin, Penny): Sounds good! Vote Christy, and Rob on re-vote.

Christy's been PMing me saying that Penny is lying about what Christy is saying to Penny? But she's probably just trying to break us apart. And hope that she votes for Rob?

Helen (to Penny): PS: since you're probably thinking about it, I just wanted to let you that I was trying to match all of Rob's answers at the beginning to keep him from winning immunity (since Joanna wasn't there), and that's why I voted for you at the beginning---honestly not thinking you'd be the answer. I'm sure it was just the three Asterias voting together to target you and our 4 votes got split between Rob/Joanna (since I voted for Joanna for them, and you guys probably voted for Rob), and wouldn't think anything of it.
Penny (to Helen): Dont worry about it. The questionnaire challenge is designed to try and break us up, if we dont take it seriously we dont have to worry about it.
Penny (to Helen): Probably. Christy just told me that you'd been on her arse about the vote. I have no idea what that means, but I think shes just trying to stir it up a little.



Erin (to Penny): Hey Erin.

Im talking to Christy at the moment. I know we shouldnt believe them BUT I am just laying out what we have been discussing.

Christy is up for a plan to boot Rob because she knows we have the advantage anyway. She told me he has the Idol and that we can expose it with a split vote idea. I think I have convinced her that her chances at the Final 3 are better with us with such a heavy Asteria Jury than with Rob who would probably win.

Anyway, im thinking this is a possibility for us to at least consider. The reason I am not sending this to Helen and Brian is because I think we should consider taking advantage of it to eliminate Helen not now, but in the next couple of votes.

If we go Rob in a split vote idea first up. That leaves us with Brian-Helen-Penny-Erin-Christy-Joanna. Now IMO Joanna is completely useless in challenges, so we should try and vote Rob this Tribal Council and then the next Tribal, vote out Christy leaving us with the four of us plus Joanna.

At that vote, we should try and team up with Joanna and vote out Helen. This at least gives us two shots at eliminating her before the Final 3. Brian I dont think will vote Helen, so if it gets to the Final 4 it would end up as a Tiebreaker and some ridiculous challenge. If we get to Final 4 and its Brian-Erin-Penny-Joanna, then Brian would have no choice but to vote with us, since Joanna would sweep the Jury.

Sorry thats lots of info, just planning ahead since we are the Queen Bitches of this game.
Erin (to Penny): Since Rob/Christy have been burned by Brian/Helen so much, I doubt that they're going to even consider what they say. That leaves us to negotiate with the dark side. Here's what I found out yesterday.
- Joanna said that Rob indeed has the idol. I think he's going to probably play it next council.
- Christy wants to align with us. She wants the two of us to split Brian/Helen and then she's "ready" to vote out an Asterian. She gave me a F3 of you, me and her. I told her the only way I'll work with her this round is if she votes out an Asterian.
- Rob hasn't spoken to me and never will because we pwned his ass so hard last TC.

The Helios 4 need to stick together. Asteria is going to grab at every straw to take on of us out. The last straw is Rob's (presumable) idol. What are your thoughts?
Penny (to Erin): I just sent you a massive message, having missed today I didnt really get alot of the vibes you guys got.

My proposal;

- Tell Christy we are going along with her plan to vote out Rob. She says she'll bring in Joanna for support.

- 3 of us vote for Christy, 1 of us votes for Rob. If Christy and Joanna vote Rob, then its a tie between the two of them if Rob doesn't play his Idol. If Christy and Joanna try and screw us again and vote with Rob, at least we have 3 guaranteed votes on Christy to force a tie between her and whoever the three of them vote for. I have a feeling she'll vote with us though.

- Whoever survives out of Christy and Rob we kick out at the following Tribal.

- We use Joanna to boot Helen next.

- We boot Joanna last and go to the F3 with You-Me-Brian.

Thoughts?
Erin (to Penny): I'm fine with the plan. Tell the others.






Helen (to Erin): Saw you were online, and just wanted to share with you my confessional from during TC (since I couldn't say it out loud, obviously)

Helen wrote:
Erin is a GODDESS for her TC acting right now. She deserves an Emmy. Brilliant.
Erin (to Helen): LMAO thanks. BTW, I'm talking to Joanna and she confirmed that Rob has the idol. She also said that she asked for it tonight but he was confident she didn't need it. I don't know if it's reliable or not but at least, we know something now though I'm not sure what.
Helen (to Erin): Yeah, it sounds very reliable. She told me before "Rob and Christy said they have something in store for you next round, but I don't know what" so they're really harping the idol thing. I don't know if it's going to be a fakeout or if he'll actually play it, but the fact that no new idol has shown up should confirm that Rob has it (since he was the one taking the clues).

Thanks for your dedication talking to Joanna. Sounds very beneficial, especially if she extends an offer to you guys. Hopefully it'll all make things easier, and it'll all pan out

I'm sure I don't need to tell you all of this, since you already know it, and don't want to waste your time reading it, but...

After Brian and I have screwed the Asterias so many times, there is clearly no way that we could (or for that matter, would) ever team up with them again, which should hopefully guarantee in your mind that we are, no matter what, completely loyal to you and Penny for our Helios 4 from here on out (like we've been all along), and not back-and-forth like the Asterias will probably harp on. And given that, Rob and them will probably try to say whatever they can about past, present, and future dealings with us (even though neither me nor Brian will probably even talk to them much tomorrow) to make us look shady as hell so that you guys start mistrusting us, but you know there's nothing that we can or are going to do against you. On top of that, actually teaming up with the Asterias would give them a 3-3 for next round, where they could take all of us out and go to finals together, and any of their promises are likely filled with lies to get revenge on our tribe for lying to them all the way to this point. Not to mention, having one of them in finals is a guaranteed win for them (especially if any of the four of us betray the Helios 4 in the process since the Asteria would get the Asteria votes and also the betrayed Helios), whereas the entire jury (and Rob/Christy/Joanna) currently hate Brian and I for what we've done so far to keep Helios alive.

Obviously, I know that you realize ALL of this, and don't need to explain it, so sorry for being borderline patronizing and spelling it all out. But the reason that I did say it all anyways is because we both know that Penny comes up with crazy plans (hopefully that phase is over though lol), but depending on what those plans are, you probably realize that it could jeopardize the game for everyone. So, since you're the one who's going to be working with Penny in your conversations with the Asterias, you're the one who's kind of stuck with the burden of keeping her grounded and making sure that she's not doing something crazy, since you get how everything works and can be reasoned with, and can hopefully appeal to her own sense of reason. And the reason why I said all of this is because, if you need it, all the reasons that might help with keeping Penny down-to-earth and down-with-Helios are spelled out above.

So, sorry for wasting your time, and hopefully, it won't even be necessary. But, since this is our big chance, better safe than sorry, I guess?

Have a good night, and talk to you tomorrow!
Helen (to Erin): OH, and sorry that I jipped you out of your immunity win

All these second places are DEFINITELY leading you to a win though, next round, for sure







Helen (to Brian): I kind of just want to stay off PMing until I find out whether the idol is up and what story we need to use on Rob. Already got PM from him lol

Should we tell him about Ted's idol, and try to get in with him? Or just be honest from here on out?
Brian (to Helen): I don't think we should reveal to him about Ted's idol yet. Ted voted for Erin, right? And that messed up the split anyway?
Helen (to Brian): Yeah, since Ted knew the idol was in his pocket, he probably tried to make it a 4-2-2 for Erin instead of a 3-3-2. Good think we weren't Penny votes with Rob/Christy/Joanna Erin votes.
Brian (to Helen): Let's go back to our grid topic for the two of us.

Rob is pounding me with questions about why the split didn't happen. Sending vague, brief responses just makes it worse. Have you said anything specific to him yet?
Helen (to Brian): Do we agree to stop stringing him along and just be honest that it's 4-3, though? Or, are we going to try to get him to not play his idol (one of the next two rounds) by lying for a third time, now? If we need him at F5 or F6 with immunity, I'm inclined to say that relations would be better by being honest now, but much of that is my emotional response than strategic response, so you'll probably say "keep leading him."
Helen (to Brian): No, I haven't opened his message. We need to decide which of these two approaches we are going to follow through with.
Brian (to Helen): I would say that we should NOT be honest with him about Ted's idol. I don't like that idea. I think that would mean he'd possibly look for it and we couldn't use Erin's idol for our own advantage which is a critical element of surprise potentially to throw him off.

I guess we can be honest about not trusting him to stay with us over Rob/Christy/Joanna or something though and fearing he'd go with original Asteria to the end rather than us? What were your stories you came up with earlier? They were probably better. I say honesty is good and being fake with him, but I don't want to tell him about the idol.
Helen (to Brian): I'm fine with the not trusting him story. And if the three of them knew about our targeting Ted, they'd make him a fourth vote, and we'd get taken out one-by-one. I say we can be honest with them about everything aside from the idol? I know that I'm overextending the honesty here, so get me in check with what I SHOULD be saying right now if I wasn't motivated by emotion.

Also, do we tell him that we're with him next round... or not?
Brian (to Helen): No, I like that. We didn't want him to be their 4th vote. And based on his unpredictability this last vote anyway, he proved to be a wildcard in the end. Yeah, be honest with them about everything aside from the idol.

I suppose we can act like we're uncertain and considering working with him, and then gradually proceed to working with him? I get the feeling that has the least likely chance of working, though, this vote after the past two.
Helen (to Brian): Looking at our own game here... should we tell Rob/Christy that it's a pagonging now, and let Erin/Penny be the bad guys this round, lying to them? I don't know if it would be more believable that way or what. I don't think I want to keep shitting on Rob et al anymore.
Brian (to Helen): The question is: If we're honest and tell them it's a Pagonging game, will it cause an increased likelihood of the idol being played at final 7? What if one of their 3 wins immunity? That gives us a 50-50 chance of leaving the game depending on our target. And they will vote for either me or you.

Actually, I think it would be bad to lie and make a fake deal tonight anyway because it wouldn't seem genuine, so we can be fairly honest, I guess, and see what kind of offers if any they give us and then discuss whether or not we'll accept them tomorrow or stay honest. And let Erin/Penny do the crazy fake negotiating and hope they don't screw us over?
Helen (to Brian): I hope Erin and Penny don't screw us over. If we give them complete and absolute transparency into our conversations with Rob/Christy/Joanna, I'd hope them to stay with us, especially with a potential idol on their side. Nay. Definitely on their side. Because Ted's hasn't gotten re-hidden yet.

I'm tempted to think that if Rob was immune next round that he'd not play the idol, since he'd know that he'd be guaranteed F5, where he could mix things up again. But with the 50/50 thing, that's far too much of a risk.

I've done whatever I thought of to set this up to this point. So whatever you want to do to take it from here, I'll probably follow.

How did you respond to Rob?
Brian (to Helen): I don't think Erin/Penny will screw us over. It's so obvious that the two groups of two need to take out the group of three. I think the biggest fear is just being idoled out of the game because one of us is going to be the target, and that's scary.

For now, I think we need to remain truthful to Rob and let him know that there's a good chance he's being Pagonged out of the game. It's fine with me. It's a little genuineness, and then tomorrow we can determine exactly how to proceed and if there's a big enough risk we need to fake align with him. He might not even be back tonight to answer anything else. I didn't respond to his last message yet, but it'll be saying something about not trusting him I suppose and seeing this option better down the road with a raw 4-3 just not knowing 100% that he wouldn't recruit Ted?

I think anything about "wanting to keep our old 6 alive so we agreed on a target outside of it" sounds fake and awful.
Helen (to Brian): Yup to all. My conversation with Rob (sorry my response took so long, just more explaining why it is that we---but I say "I", don't worry---do what we do) is just more "but if we gave you the opportunity, you could easily use it to take us out" and then he "but i've never given you a reason not to trust me, you just keep making me look like a fool when I believe you" so I doubt it will progress to strategy anytime soon. If it does, it will be late tomorrow.

I'll be honest, I was to start being more truthful now for backlash purposes. If you don't want to (because being more truthful now, changing the entire formula, could be our downfall), I'd understand and ask you to tell me or do what you think is best.

Agreed that "keeping the 6 alive" will fail miserably and just lead to more ill will.

What we need to do is get in his head and figure out who the idol would be played on. Having him be immune and looking out for himself is a situation that really intrigues me... but anyways. For ourselves, if there's any way we can convince Christy/Rob that Erin will play her idol on one of the two of us (since that isn't what they'd be expecting), it could be beneficial. But I don't know how to make that argument, coming from our side.
Helen (to Brian): Oh, and should we send a message to Erin about why it would be idiotic to switch, but that we know she understands that, but that Penny will probably try to do something ridiculous, so she has to keep Penny in check. Probably not a group message, though, so she doesn't get intimidated by us double-teaming her over and over again. Should we start portraying ourselves to others as more independent and less of a duo? lol although it would probably be futile
Brian (to Helen): This is a long response, too, without a lot of substance. Tomorrow's a really long morning/afternoon for me, but I'll be around by 5pm eastern and can check in and possibly respond once or twice in the morning.

I'm not actually sure personally what I want to do as far as continuing to lie to Rob (and by Rob, I also include Christy/kind of Joanna) for safety purposes at the vote or be honest and face an increased likelihood of going home. I think I've said this a few times now, but lying tonight (right now) makes no sense. Might as well be honest about everything except the idol and see how the conversation progresses to make a decision tomorrow.

Something interesting would be one of us lying and one of us telling the truth to him (the two of us pretending to disassociate so to speak) but that probably wouldn't do anything except unnecessarily isolate the person from him who was lying since he'd see through them. I have like nothing to offer right now though. I say let Penny/Erin keep us informed, try to develop the conversations with Rob/Christy to see what happens, and implement the next stage of the plan when we hear from them?

Obviously from this message I'm tired and lazy and don't see the point in developing anything super new in the next few minutes, but I just saw your second new PM and think the disassociating strategy is perhaps a good idea if we can find a way to implement it. I think if you're having a personal chat with Erin, maybe add a comment about Penny perhaps doing something ridiculous as a point in it, but don't create a new PM just to establish that point with her.
Helen (to Brian): Yeah, I'm not talking to Erin, but I probably should. I don't want her to feel like I'm breathing down her neck, but I'll bring it up. Even though Erin screwing us would be a shitty move (both for us and for her), it would probably get her enough jury votes to guarantee a win if she makes it to finals.

Agreed about not lying to Rob tonight. We can re-evaluate as we move on tomorrow. I just don't think he's going to believe anything that we say, so I don't see a point in lying tomorrow, either, but we'll see what the situation is. If there is something that we have to gain, then we can go for it.

I don't plan on doing much here tomorrow. I doubt much will be going on, and I probably won't do much. This seems about the point where the game dies down and we're just waiting for the action each night.

Interesting thought on the half-lie/half-truth plan... we'll see where we can take it.

Right now, what we have left to do is solidifying that we're good with Penny/Erin, catching up on their developments with Joanna/Christy/Rob, figuring out what to do with our fake idol, and figuring out who to place votes on to avoid their real one. Sounds simple enough.

I don't want to drag this on too long. So, we can probably say good night in another message or two, unless you want to stay awake unreasonably late just to be unproductive
Brian (to Helen): Ugh, I need to be gone by 2 at the absolute latest. Tomorrow is going to be rough. I'll wait for one more response, and then say goodnight in a final message.

I think Penny/Erin would be most likely to support us if we just agreed to their target and backup target, whether it was Rob, Christy, or Joanna. And we probably should go along (unless their reasoning is awful and we come up with a clear reasoning behind another target). The obvious argument that Rob's going to make to persuade them is that the two of us lied to him the first TC, lied to Penny/Erin the second TC, lied to Rob again the third TC and have no clear loyalties because we're just in it for ourselves. But Penny/Erin should know we have no other options now except stick together as a 4 since we're not able to get back in with Rob and Christy and Joanna. It makes so much sense for them to stick with us.

If we survive tomorrow, I think it'll be a much quieter weekend than it was prior with much fewer people. And I hardly talk with the Asterians now as well.
Helen (to Brian): Yeah. I don't think there's going to be much talking left in this game. Just executing.

Sure, we can agree to Penny/Erin's targets, but also don't want them to think we're agreeing too easily, so as to blindside them, or something. Wait, this is Penny we're talking about... why would she think logically.

How are we handling the Daniel TC? Just claiming that Rob is lying about our involvement? Or should we clear the air with the girls? Probably too dangerous to do that now, and we can cover ourselves enough.

We've played a good enough game so far that Penny/Erin SHOULD realize they have to stick with us. We probably couldn't have set it up any better (though I've been wrangling with the idea of eliminating Rob last round, and looked to see if Ted flocked back to us, or having Rob eliminating Ted, but, hindsight...), so we just have to wait.

We'll figure out something to talk about in the morning. Until then, good night!
Brian (to Helen): Yeah, we'll find the right balance and won't agree too easily. A "sounds good!" is not a good idea immediately after getting the plan.

Let's not completely clear the air about the Daniel TC. Technically Ted knew more about it than even Rob/Christy did (I can't recall what you justified to Rob exactly after the vote; I just know he was happy we all voted with him so probably didn't futher inquire too much?) I think we covered that vote just fine and proved our loyalty to the girls by voting Ted out here, which Erin especially really wanted. Maybe because he beat her at two challenges. (So maybe I'll be her next target since I beat her at this one, although you've shown more consistency on the challenges overall --- I just excel at speed.)

I think we picked the right target with Ted over Rob. Ted was scary and powerful, and my initial impressions of him were so wrong. Fortunately we got him before it was too late, but he wasn't controllable or predictable to the same point that Rob probably is right now. He still might idol us though, but Ted would have been deadly silent or worse.

Night!
Helen (to Brian): Especially after the bolded line, I'm sorry, but if this shithead honestly wouldn't take an opportunity to screw us over when he has the chance (whether we're with him or against him), I'd be fucking blown away. The fact that he keeps coming back asking us to dupe him again says nothing to me more than "Please help me vote out Erin and Penny so that I can fuck you in the ass afterwards."

Pretty sure that I'm the more hated of the two of us, lawl

Rob wrote:
Sure, you had no way of knowing, but you certainly had way to find out. For example, asking "Would you consider booting Ted?" Rather than bold faced lies. Questions tend to work better at information discovery than bold faced lies do.

And I don't know how many times I have to tell you that your fate was NOT going to be put in the hands of others. You claim to trust me and you even admit that you had no reason not to. The split vote would have guaranteed that Penny or Erin left, which put us in the F7 and that gave you a 100% chance of making it to the F3. I guess 100% aren't good enough odds for you

Helen wrote:
If it wasn't you sitting over there and someone else in your place, they could very well have taken situations that I could hand to you (that you would use to prove your trust and go to the end with our F4) that the other person would use to slit my throat, and that's why I do it.


You just answered your own question. "If it wasn't you sitting over there and someone else in your place." Totally irrelevant. It's not someone else. It's me. Someone else very well may have taken that as an opportunity to screw you over. I'm not denying that. I wouldn't have, and you know that I wouldn't have, but despite knowing that I'd never screw you over, you decide it would be not only a GOOD idea, but the BEST idea, to screw over twice and to screw my two allies over twice. You've now screwed over every single person who has made or who will make the jury. No matter who else is in the F3 with you, be it Erin or Penny, they won't have done that and they will win. I would honestly vote for Penny over you at this point because Penny got to where she was without having to needlessly and almost viciously lie to people and come up with elaborate complex plans that you don't intend to keep anyway.

And your whole paragraph about game theory is, quite frankly, boloney. We aren't playing Candy Land. Simple game theory doesn't really apply. This is a game about relationships that are necessary to no only succeed, but to win. If I get voted out next, I can take comfort in the fact that I have made two great friends in Christy and Joanna. If Penny goes next, she'll take comfort in the fact that she had made a great friend in Erin. Regardless of the outcome, Penny and I will both take comfort in the fact that we had a great rivalry that was not only intense and slightly spiteful, but also really fun. What are you going to take comfort in when this game is over? Is winning a game (that has no prize money, mind you) but having everyone in the game hate your guts for it going to be worth it? It may be for you. It's not for me.

The one overriding thing that makes you so hard to believe is that you have told me on countless occasions that you have such a loathsome hatred of Penny and can't think of anything you would rather see than her smug ass get booted, and yet on the two instances that we had a pretty much 100% chance of booting her, you instead chose to boot Shawna, who is about as useful as the toilet paper I just used to wipe my ass, and Ted, who only had fake power and who was going to be the next boot anyway. In doing both of those things, you also totally alienated three future jurors who aren't going to want to have anything to do with you, and you have successfully handed the win to Erin or Penny. So your goal was to come into this game and pave a road for someone else to ride to victory, then congratulations, you were successful.

The only reason I am even bothering mentioning all of this is because it is not too late to make it right.


And I love it that he complains about us booting Shawna, when even he admitted that she didn't deserve making F8. But apparently the three of them still being here over two useless and one double-dipping fuck doesn't mean anything aside from the fact that you and I are horrible people

And although I think that we still at least stand some chance of winning (at least you, maybe not me), I still think I'd rather bring Erin to finals because I refuse to hand Penny a win.
Brian (to Helen): This is the first time I've even logged on since last night. I see Penny PMed both me and you about the next target being Christy, which is fine with me also factoring in Erin's insight and anything new that develops. Why didn't she tell Erin and just told me and you? Have you been in communication with her since?

Lol, of course Rob is simply doing what he can to try to get you/us to keep him. His whole angle is about manipulation, and it's almost sad how easy it is to see what he's doing now that he's running out of chances.
Helen (to Brian): You can't really fault him though, he doesn't have much left.

I've seen nothing all day save for a message from Rob and Christy.

I'm guessing Penny just messed up on the message-sending, as I didn't even notice Erin was excluded.

I sent Erin my whole "if Penny acts up, these are the reasons why our F4 is critical" late last night, and she read it but hasn't responded.

On the whole, aside from me, it looks like Asteria has been checking in today here and there while Helios has been offline entirely since the morning status.
Brian (to Helen): I don't fault him either. But it's still sad watching him try to hit your emotions and give you reason to believe you don't have a great chance of winning when you definitely do.

I'm still like legit not as concerned about being taken out 5-2 or 4-3. I just have faith in Penny/Erin to not put themselves in a strategic hole that they can't overcome. And the fact that Asteria is targeting either me or you should give them comfort for a change that they wouldn't be the ones voted out if things go wrong.

I'm hoping more people come around soon, too. I'm actually free right now.
Helen (to Brian): Looks like about 50 messages have been sent and received since we've signed off last night. I've only been privy to about 10 of them. It's probably just normal, or inter-talk between Christy/Rob/Joanna, since Penny and Erin had a near 12 hour gap from morning to night. But just checking, anyways, since 40 seems like a lot... </paranoid>
Helen (to Brian): I don't really even want to talk to anyone right now

Messages between the Helios 4 are going to be reminiscent of our IC1 conversations with Jake and Jan and Ted ("omg i hope we win!!!11one").

Joanna has clearly expressed that she is done with me.
Joanna wrote:
oh don't worry i dont trust you i've made that clear but christy and Rob have something for you. idk what it is but whatever.


And my conversations with Rob/Christy are just elongated philosophical and psychoanalytical melodramas. Though I have mentioned the prospect of us playing our idol "as a tribe" on their most intended target, to see if they'll hit Erin/Penny on an off chance.

Bring on the IC/TC. I'm not worried about TC tonight, though I realize that any of the seven of us can go home. We've done the best we can with Penny/Erin, so if that fails, I can deal with it. And if one of us gets idoled out, I can accept that too. It's just time to spin the wheel and see where it lands.
Brian (to Helen): Oh, wow. 40 does seem like a lot. I only got the messages from Penny last night and the messages we've exchanged today. So hopefully Penny/Erin get on soon and things start picking up so we can get actual updates (and hopefully more than the IC1 conversations, lol). I'm not bothering with Asteria now either. Although I may send a few sentences later just to judge their exact attitudes.

I guess I'm comfortable as well that we've set this up to the best of our ability, but it still would be ridiculous for Penny/Erin to swap. I'd feel a lot more comfortable about my game if I ended up being idoled out than having those two turn on us.
Helen (to Brian): I'll agree to that.

Also just realized that we're trusting dumb ass Penny (whose asinine messages to Rob about playing his idol at F9 are somewhere in this conversation's backlog) to not be blatantly obvious about wanting to vote for Christy.

This is probably far too over-the-top for something that I'd ever do, but I just imagined "accidentally" sending a message to Penny, Erin, and then Rob instead of you just minutes before the vote saying "okay, let's just hope he doesn't play the idol on her/himself" and what that would do to him second-guessing shit If I said "her" to throw him off, there's that tiny chance that he'd think it to be a deliberate ploy and play the idol on himself, or something like that... it would expect far too much "second guessing" of others to yield any beneficial results (and not actually end up hurting us), but it crossed my mind, for entertainment, anyways.
Helen (to Brian): Penny wouldn't deliberately tell them who we're voting for, so as to have them play the idol on that person, and eliminate one of us without getting blood on her hands... would she...
Helen (to Brian): Rob wrote:
Why do you have to prove your loyalty to them? You don't fucking owe them shit. Don't let them wrap you around their finger like they think they already have. And if you're going to be truthful like you claim, then you can tell me who are you voting for tonight?


He's such a little shit I really feel like I overestimated him---maybe not his strategy, but his ability to handle mature situations.
Brian (to Helen): Lolololol, I think it would be great if you did that with the fake accidental PM just to confuse them. Oh yeah, Penny could easily be thinking of letting one of us be 'accidentally' taken out by the idol, but she's also smart enough to know that a 3-3 situation at final 6 wouldn't be good. I'd like to hope she's not overconfident in her abilities and actually thinks she can trust one of the Asterian group not to stick together. I imagine that's what Rob/Christy/Joanna are working on right now.
Brian (to Helen): Rob wrote:
Do you not find what you said slightly hypocritical? "Ted was out only for himself." "We booted Ted because we didn't want you to join up with him and go to the F4 because we want to be in the F4." How is what you did any different from what Ted did? Should we blindside you tonight for looking out for yourself?

You have no reason not to trust me, you realize that right? I have never lied to you and I have never betrayed you.

Poor Rob. I really hope he doesn't get lucky with the idol here and send one of us home.
Helen (to Brian): Brian wrote:
she's also smart enough to know that a 3-3 situation at final 6 wouldn't be good.


Is she...? Is she...?

Brian wrote:
I'd like to hope she's not overconfident in her abilities and actually thinks she can trust one of the Asterian group not to stick together. I imagine that's what Rob/Christy/Joanna are working on right now.


That's why I'm relieved that I haven't seen her around much today. I can only take solace in the fact that she wants to target Christy, she's already been betrayed by Joanna, and she'd never trust Rob. That's all we have.

We'll only be screwed if she thinks she can outsmart them with a plan she hasn't told us about which has to do with who to play the idol on (am I the only one that can see her PMing Rob with "You should definitely play your idol on Joanna or yourself tonight "?).
Helen (to Brian): I would've been tempted to vote for him over Joanna/Christy in an FTC before this ad hominem attack, but he'd really need to explain himself if he ends up at the end to overcome this one.
Brian (to Helen): Ugh, Penny would complicate this a lot more if she was on. And some of Erin's messages are concerning me right now, but hopefully that's just paranoia and not a change in her style that indicates fake-ness.

Concerning Erin's request to prompt Rob about the idol, should I just do it and ask him to humor her since we're all talking about it? I kind of want to. Or do you think that would potentially make this worse?
Helen (to Brian): You can if you want to. I'm not going to.

Right now, everything is up to chance. Do we pick the right person or not. If we ask the question and get the answer, then it becomes are they lying or not and who do we pick. Our odds of guessing wrong are equally likely, but we'll rack our brain over it a lot more since it comes down to reading a few lines of text, and then holding ourselves responsible if we believed him when he was lying or mistrusted him when he was telling the truth. It's still totally random, but the loser comes out of it looking dumber for misreading. I don't think it gains anything, but that's me. If you want to, go ahead.

I think I'm done being paranoid tonight. Well, I'm not, but I wish that I would be. We can't do anything about Erin now. Just have faith that she doesn't believe Joanna, and isn't deliberately evading our questions.
Brian (to Helen): Eh, I won't ask him then. I mean it doesn't really matter, but it was more of a way just to get an interesting reaction from him than anything else (which probably wouldn't have influenced anything). To then quote and laugh at, or sigh at, to some extent.

Yep, this tribal council more than any others, we really are forced to put our fate in the hands of others with a leap of faith that they'll make the best strategic decision available to them.
Helen (to Brian): And yet, I'm starting to think that one of them may think it's in their best interests (even though it's not, really) to discretely sell us out, being mislead by an Asteria lie. Maybe we should just put our trust in the lack of activity tonight. My brain is making circles around itself tonight.
Helen (to Brian): OH SHIIIT. The serpent has surfaced.

If we've made any mistake in this game, it was not finding a way to advance without Penny.
Brian (to Helen): I'm paranoid, too. But at this point, I think our best option is to wait for updates rather than jeopardize what we have the best chance of accomplishing?

Yeah, I see Penny is "viewing message" now. Is it crazy to say that if we don't get a crazy idea from Penny in the next few minutes, then we should suspect something is up?
Helen (to Brian): ... Yes.
Helen (to Brian): Well... at least we know she's not stabbing us in the back, now!
Brian (to Helen): Well, there's her update.

Um, I expect that a 3-3-1 will happen between the Asterian 3's target and Christy. If not, it gives Penny and Erin options for next round so they're not necessarily stuck with us. So it's definitely more beneficial for them than for the two of us.

However, am I crazy now to suggest we should actually just go through it? And risk it? To keep Penny's support at least?
Helen (to Brian): I'll do it to keep Penny's support. We don't really have a choice. I just want everyone to be aware of the risks.
Helen (to Brian): You realize that every plan she's ever come up with is to eliminate Rob? lol And he always votes for her

Except this round, I'm fairly certain that they're voting for me.
Brian (to Helen): I actually wouldn't be surprised if they're voting me because you're more actively in communications with them, and I respond to their PMs so slowly and infrequently they might consider me a lost cause by now. Not sure, but I think we're all paranoid its ourselves.

If this plan of Penny's actually works...
Helen (to Brian): I'm preemptively saying that one of us gets eliminated tonight by Penny's tiebreaker even though we don't get any votes.
Helen (to Brian): One logical fallacy with this: is Christy is deliberately willing to force a tie, why the fuck would she force a tie between two Asterias instead of an Asteria and a Helios? Why wouldn't Asteria vote together anyways, on the chance that one of us get taken out in the tie instead of guaranteeing it to be one of them? Answer me that.
Brian (to Helen): Unfortunately it doesn't make much sense, and it's more than likely all Rob's idea and includes them trying to split our votes, screw up our voting strategies, discover our target so he can use the idol appropriately.

I'm sure we're not going to be able to talk reason into Penny though now. I think she's set with this.
Helen (to Brian): This entire game, she has been blinded by her need to eliminate Rob. Ever since the second TC. Every round, the plan has been about eliminating Rob, and she has ignored ALL sense of reason just to attempt to have a slight chance at eliminating him.

Someone reply to the goddamn thread so I can put in one last response about the "why would Christy..." thought.
Brian (to Helen): So will Rob see right through Penny and risk giving his idol to Christy? I wouldn't be surprised at all. Fortunately, the last thing he wants is to not look stupid again, so maybe he'd save it for himself so he doesn't end up potentially getting 'stupidly' blindsided.

Get ready for a tiebreaker challenge tonight, or something, if we're not idoled out.
Brian (to Helen): And now she wants us to just all vote Rob.
Helen (to Brian): Penny wrote:
It really is in her best interests to vote with us.

It is not in her best interests to vote with us when she can force a tie with one of us being in it.

Penny wrote:
Christy is confident it'll be a re-vote if its a tie.

Of course she is, because she wants you to make it a tie.

Penny wrote:
I know its risky trusting them, but Christy is confident that Erin and I will pick her over you two. So I think she is being genuine.

Her thinking that you'd prefer her over us has nothing to do with her actively being willing to eliminate Rob and Joanna.
Brian (to Helen): Hopefully, if anything, the Asterian target ends up being one of Erin/Penny (trying to flush the idol perhaps) by misleading them into thinking it's one of the two of us, and then on a re-vote we're both safe. Except that's way too many positive assumptions.
Helen (to Brian): About to send this to Christy. I don't think it's going to hurt at all, and will at least give you and me peace of mind. Tell me that I'm allowed to send it.

Helen wrote:
Oh, and for the record, Penny doesn't listen to or believe anything that I say. In fact, if I tell her that I disagree with her plan, she's more inclined to demand that we go for it. Even if I were to copy/paste to her a quote saying that you were lying about everything and were actually going to physically stab her tonight, listing her home address and linking to a live GPS tracker en route to it, she'd think that I was fabricating it all.

But just for my own sanity (especially after she believed your logically-impossible lies to her last round that you and Joanna were voting Rob), you are lying to her right now, right? A "Yes"/"No" will suffice if you want limit content to preserve deniability.
Brian (to Helen): Ugh, I would personally not send it. But since if you don't and we get screwed over tonight, you're going to wonder what would've happened if you did. So go for it. Send it.

It's not really hurting anything because you're not giving her enough specifics to ruin the plan.
Helen (to Brian): Final chance. Send it or not. TELL ME!

Oh, and should I take the lines I quoted from Penny and send them to her, as well? To Penny and group, that is.
Brian (to Helen): Send it.

And no, I wouldn't send the lines you quoted and sent me to Penny and the group. I think they make plenty of sense, but that may be too much disagreement for Penny to handle. She'd probably end up just sending out the exact same message with her plan again out of frustration...or out of something.
Helen (to Brian): I'm laughing out loud. If we lose, BLAME PENNY! ahahahaha
Brian (to Helen): #blamepenny should be our hashtag if we both end up on jury next.
Helen (to Brian): #blamepenny

If we create a smiley that says that, can we post it during TC as jurors?
Helen (to Brian): Well, that should make Erin target me before you when it comes to threats to her in challenges.
Brian (to Helen): I just want to make it through tonight without being idoled or taken out in a tiebreaker first.

Christy (to Rob): You voted for Penny right?
Rob (to Christy): Yes. I think Ted voted for Erin hoping she wouldn't play her idol so it was 4-2-2, but Brian and Helen obviously voted for Ted too for god knows why.
Christy (to Rob): No more trusting of Helen and Brian. We've got to work on Penny and Erin, because we're sitting ducks right now.
Rob (to Christy): He have to split them up. That's our only option.
Christy (to Rob): We have to. I told Penny that I want to together with her even this round, but she refused to bc she 'wasn't here'. But Helen and Brian have betrayed everyone, so maybe we can convince them.
Rob (to Christy): Helen wrote:
That Ted was playing the fuck out of both sides, and doing a brilliant job of it, while sitting pretty in the middle and being completely unexposed. No one even realized it.

Even though Brian and I were urging Helios to vote for Shawna at F10, it wasn't until Ted said "Shawna"s name on his own that the tide turned, and he picked the first boot. Ted flocked to Helios to take out Shawna.

Last round, he was claiming to be with Penny and her 4-3-2 or 3-3-3 plan, but wanted Daniel out. Which, I was prone to agree with actually, because I wanted Shawna/Daniel as the first two boots, too, but some convincing was required of the others. Ted didn't like that, so he approached you guys and had that taken care of, and acted like it wasn't his plan (which you admitted, it was).

This round, he played coy with us while approaching you guys with the 3-3-2 plan. Then, when you asked me about it, and I asked Ted, he acted as though it was the first time he'd heard of it---even thought you said it was his plan. But really, he wanted Erin out most, which is why, if you'd notice, it should've been 2 votes Erin (you/Ted) and 2 votes Penny (Christy/Joanna), but Ted voted Erin because he felt like it.

Not to mention he was an IC threat, no one could tell he was walking the line between each side, and getting us alternate picking off members of each tribe until he was left in the middle at the end for a certain F3 spot. That's why, I think, his response to being voted out was the way that it was. He knew what he was doing when he near singlehandedly controlled the first three rounds of this merge, and he was perfectly in the middle for safety.

Because of him being in the middle, we'd have no idea where his allegiances actually were, and anytime he wanted something done, he'd do it himself and do it covertly. And if we approached you guys to take Ted out, you could've (and SHOULD have, in that case) easily seen through us being wishy-washy for three rounds now, taken Ted, and gone to the F4 with all Asteria. And frankly, for all we know, Ted would've made sure of that happening because no one knows (maybe you do, but not me, at least) what his plan was this entire time. Now, am I saying you WOULD have done that (because you've shown your trust time and time again), no, absolutely not. But, frankly, it would've been your best move, and that's why it would be dangerous even putting the available option out there.


Read that and let me know your thoughts.
Christy (to Rob): I get the reasoning behind the Ted-boot, but it's extremely hypocritical from them to say this, because they always voted with Ted, and they do the same thing Ted did.

I don't trust them, I want to boot them. If Helen says that she wants to work with us after this, that is bullshit.
Rob (to Christy): I don't know what to do.
Christy (to Rob): For me. But at this point I don't have any other options, and I trust you, so here I go. Please, don't be mad, because I'm telling you because I want you here.

I have the idol. I don't know if you ever suspected it, but I have it. I actually had it before you even shared the first clue with me, because I opted to penalize the tribe at the first IC, trying to blame it on Ryan. I thought it was pretty transparent, but if not... well, good for me. Anyway, I figured prometheus out on day 2. I decided not to tell anyone, because it's hard for me to trust people, and I wanted to withhold information as long as I could. But now I realize that if we want a legit shot at getting to the F3, I have to play it tonight.

I got Penny and Erin to offer me a F3, and we agreed to vote for you, just because 'I needed to look out for myself'. Probably it'll be a splitvote against you or me - that's what they expect. But the three of us could vote for Helen, and I could use the idol on you, so we'd have a fractured F6, with three Asterias and three Helioses.

This is the only plan I've got. If anyone offers you anything aside from Joanna and me, that's faux, and only to keep you in the dark. But if Penny is truthful, and I believe she is, we could get even at the next TC, probably we could even pick Brian up.

Please let me know what you think.
Rob (to Christy): I fucking knew it was prometheus They actually changed the password when the idol was found? That's so stupid. I have never heard of that happening in a game and it's kind of unfair because if I'd have gotten into the forum after clue #3, which is when I first guessed prometheus, I'd have known it was gone and I wouldn't have had to take two more disadvantages.

I obviously wish you would have told me sooner and I am obviously hurt that you didn't trust me enough to, but I am glad that you told me about it now. But we have to be careful. They're not going to split the vote, because we'd vote as a bloc and it would be 3-2-2 and we'd win out. They're going to put all four of their votes on the same person and we have to make sure that the person the vote for is the one that plays the idol.

Are you going to tell Joanna? I'll let you do it.
Christy (to Rob): Yes, they changed it, for whatever reason. I asked them. At first I wanted to rehide a fake idol, but it wasn't allowed, and they told me that the password was changed.

We have to piece together all the information we're getting, and hope that one of us wins immunity. I think we can pull this off, but it'll be definitely hard. I feel like they won't go for Joanna, because we're a pair, but I have no idea.
Also, they can split it, because they think that I'm voting with them. Penny thinks you have the idol - it was a careless half-sentence, not even a statement, so I believe that was genuine.

About not telling before - I'm an anti-idol person. I hate it. I hate it on TV, I hate it in games. The only reason I wanted it, so others wouldn't have it, to use it against me. And that's why after trying a lot of wrong passwords, I came up with prometheus without basically knwoing anything about it. It made sense.
And until this moment I felt comfortable not telling everyone this, because every vote I thought I'd be in majority. But this is not the case now. It has nothing to do with trusting you - it's me.

I caught Joanna earlier today, and told her. She had the same reaction as you.
Rob (to Christy): That's so dumb. Do they change the clues on real Survivor when the idol is found? Fuck no. They let the people figure it out on their own. I'm just glad I was right about the password thought because I felt like a dope.

If they think you are going to vote with them and they split the vote, we won't need the idol. They'll expect 3-2-2 one way (3 on me, 2 on Joanna, 2 on whoever me and Jo vote for), but if you don't vote for me it would be 3-2-2 in our favor (3 on Helen/Brian/Erin/Penny, 2 each on me and Jo).

I understand why you didn't tell me about it and I'm not mad about it, I just wish you would have told me sooner so would could use it to avoid a situation in which we NEED to use it unlike the one that's coming.
Christy (to Rob): Only Penny and Erin think I'm voting with them. I don't want Helen to get clue, because she'll pick up on what's going on. I don't know if they're playing me or not, but I really think Penny is genuine, because it'd make sense for them to team up with me.

Have they told you anything we can work with? It's a shot of luck at this point, and I want to maximize our chances. All I'm hearing is you, bur who knows if we can believe them.

Also, Joanna said she won't be here probably, because she has a birthday party to attend to.
Rob (to Christy): Yeah, Joanna told me that too, and I REALLY hope she prevoted for Helen.

I have been doing some major, hardcore bullshitting of Helen. I think she's close to buying it. If she is, she's gonna vote for Erin or Penny tonight. We might not even need to play the idol to boot her because it might be 3-2-2 anyway. Obviously we still will. But she came some bullshit about how she wants to still be honest with me even though she can't work with me, and I said "If you claim to want to be honest, you can tell me who you're voting for" and she said "Being honest means not lying, it doesn't mean I have to tell you everything." So then I said something like "You know that Penny has you wrapped around her finger, right? You should hear some of the things she has been saying since the merge " which was a total lie and then Helen said "What is she saying obviously" and I said "I won't lie but I don't have to tell you everything" and ever since then I've been kind of drilling it into her head that Penny wants to use the two remaining Asteria after tonight to boot Helen and Brian next even though it's totally made up but I think she's actually believing me since I'm not coming right out and saying it and since I'm being very cryptic ("What I want is irrelevant. What you want is important. Do you want to still be in the game on Sunday? If not, then vote out me, Christy or Jo tonight.")

I honestly think it's working.
Rob (to Christy): Oh, don't get me wrong here. I'm not saying "OMG SHE'S GONNA VOTE FOR Penny LET'S DO IT TOO!" I'm saying, "omg I can't believe she's gonna believe me and vote for Penny and then be blindsided."

We're playing your idol and putting three votes on Helen regardless.
Christy (to Rob): Yes, we're doing that. I really hope that works out.

I told Penny to ask you to vote for Joanna. If she asks you, we'll know that she's truthful, and will vote for you. If not, then something is wrong.
Rob (to Christy): Okay. I will let you know if she says anything. Should I PM her or should I wait for her to PM me?
Christy (to Rob): Wait for her. I have to get her to even talk to you.
Rob (to Christy): Nothing yet.
Christy (to Rob): She asked Joanna instead, for whatever reason. She doesn't want to deal with you.
Rob (to Christy): Well, you're the one with the idol so you can play on whoever you feel like they're gonna vote for.
Christy (to Rob): fuck.

We can go for Brian to split them up, or Erin to get rid of the idol.
Rob (to Christy): Brian?
Rob (to Christy): Your call, it's your idol.
Christy (to Rob): Or Erin. We could get rid of the idol.
Christy (to Rob): ok, vote for Erin. They'll stick together anyway.
Rob (to Christy): Make sure you tell Jo! Who are you gonna play the idol on?
Christy (to Rob): Told it to Jo, she's up for it.

I plan on playing it on you.

Please don't overact at TC.
Rob (to Christy): My internet is buggy so I probably won't really even answer anything.
Christy (to Rob): Penny wrote:
Hey Jo Jo and Christy.

Just letting you know the latest details. Helen-Brian-Erin are voting for you tonight Joanna. We are countering with the three of us voting Rob. I think they are making some fake deals with Rob so that he doesn't play his Idol.

On the re-vote we are all voting Rob.

Obviously next target has to be Helen. Erin is in with this so it'll be us 4 against Brian and Helen. Is that cool?



This is what Penny sent to us. I'll use my idol on Jo.
Rob (to Christy): Sweet. Wait until you're at like the 9.5 minute mark so that Erin doesn't whip hers out.










Christy (to Joanna):

idgi
Joanna (to Christy): lollollol no clue
Christy (to Joanna): Helioses voted together, while we've split our votes.

You were right. But we still have the idol. If we play our cards right, it'll be a tie at F6.
Joanna (to Christy): how so
Christy (to Joanna): Three Asteria, three Helios, that's how.

We've got to split Helen and Brian up. If anyone trusts them after all the shit they've been pulling...
Joanna (to Christy): yeah but they are so good at blindsiding we wont know who to give it to alol
Christy (to Joanna): Exactly, but that's still better than letting ourselves graciously get booted one by one.
Joanna (to Christy): yeah we got a 33% chance lol
Christy (to Joanna): If one of us wins immunity, then it's 50-50

It's funny that we are the last three Asteria standing. So fitting.
Joanna (to Christy): lol if those dumbasses would have trusted us in the beginning
Christy (to Joanna): If they trusted us form the get go, this still woud've been the final three Asteria
Joanna (to Christy): lol yeah good call
Christy (to Joanna): I'm working on Erin right now, and she seems to be listening.
Joanna (to Christy): honestly it be foolish for that foursome to go with us.
Joanna (to Christy): so i think you need to think about telling Rob about the idol finally
Christy (to Joanna): Yes, I planning on doing that. Erin said that she won't go for Helen this round, just at the F6. I had some time to think about an ideal solution, and this is the best I could come up with:

I start targeting Helen hardcore to everyone, try to be as outlandish as possible. Even make a ragethread, and call her out. Just to attract votes. Maybe you and Rob could play along, that 'Christy is out of line' or whatever. Then I play the idol, and idol Helen out.

Thoughts?
Joanna (to Christy): I wanna idol Helen out too but you going off on them like that will only make them see through it and not vote for you.
Christy (to Joanna): I've been talking with Penny, and she says that she wants Rob and his idol out. Here's my new plan: I tell her to offer a faux-deal to Rob about getting rid of Helen/Brian, and that way we could 'make sure' that Rob doesn't play his idol. Meanwhile we tell her that we're willing to vote Rob out. But we won't go for Rob - we vote for Helen, and I use my idol on Rob. That way it's 3/3 at the F6, with Erin having an idol - that's the last round she could play it.

Thoughts on this? I'm grasping at straws right now.
Joanna (to Christy): I like that. Tell her that'd we'd want to go to final four with her and Erin and to prove it we'll vote out Rob if in return she votes out Helen/Brian next. I'm still concerned that'd she'd call our BS or even chicken out because she'd assume he will play it like they have before but this is worth a try. Maybe you'll be able to tell if she's lying.
Christy (to Joanna): Since you are the lie detector of this game, I'll just post you whatever she answers

I'll try it as soon as she replies. The question is - will we tell Rob or let him sweat?
Joanna (to Christy): Tell Rob about the idol or tell Rob that they are voting for him?
And Penny is the hardest to tell (Ted was pretty hard too but he's gone) but I'll try my best
Damnit I was really looking forward to threatening the shit out of Helen too :(
Christy (to Joanna): She offered me a final three with Erin if I vote for Rob tonight. Should I try to 'push' you in that deal? I think that'll may cause suspicion.

Tell Rob about the whole plan. I just know he'll be mad that I have the idol though.

Me too. I was going to be not mute for a change at TC
Joanna (to Christy): Nah you don't have to push me if you don't want. Honestly IDK if she is telling you the truth hasn't she like not want to work with you thus far? This is also leading me to believe even more that Rob WONT be voted for tonight lol
Christy (to Joanna): She wanted to work with me, just not last round, because she would've been at the mercy of us. And if she just offered me a F3 - she knows she's not getting juryvotes if she preaches honesty, but doesn't follow. As soon as she replies, I'll quote things to you.
Joanna (to Christy): Erin just sent me "tell me what Rob/Christy are planning" if I said to her that you're trying to convince them to vote out Rob so he'll use the idol that will most likely rule him out of people they'd vote for. I know you want to work with them to try and beat them, but I honestly don't think that is the way to go. They have no reason to work with you.
Christy (to Joanna): I don't care about working with them, as long as the three Asteria survives. Thanks for sharing the info.
Joanna (to Christy): ok so you want me to do it? this will cause Penny to completely break off from you..
Christy (to Joanna): Oh, I thought you already did it. I think if we can convince them to vote for Rob is better than to convince them NOT to vote for Rob.

I think it's either going to be me or Rob, bc they think that you are not as close as I am with Rob. Maybe you could sniff out if they want to split the vote with your help, so we can get info on what's happening?
Christy (to Joanna): If Rob asks you about the idol, tell him that I told you today, please.
Joanna (to Christy): Ok I will and they won't want to split the vote with me they don't trust me. It would be way too risky for them. Trust me if they wanted to work with me they would have already started trying to communicate with me. I just think they'd be able to obviously sniff out that it is going to Rob. I mean they think he has it so I think they are going to least likely vote for Rob
Joanna (to Christy): i know you're gonna be pissed at me for saying this but i'm going to go head and say it because i really wanna get it off my chest.

it really frustrates me how you and Rob continually think that trying to cut deals with those guys is going to work. they have been manipulating us this whole time, splitting out votes so they know exactly where every one is going to vote. they are fucking playing circles around us. think about this, if ted wasn't a dumbass and switched his vote to Erin and we piggybacked like i said, it would have been a fucking 4v4 tie and ted would have one because he is the best challenge competitor out there. like you have to think AROUND what they are saying. i just don't know how to explain to you guys that we CANNOT seriously work with them. spin fucking lies for the hell of it whatever but agreeing with them on anything WILL NOT WORK. the only panic we have ever costed them was when i threatened ted that i was going to vote against Rob and Helen and Brian had to reveal that they were in on the plan because they were scared i wasn't going to do it. this is our last chance pretty much so why don't we just go to fucking war on them? scare the shit out of them. lie like fucking madmen. make them sweat and second guess themselves?

anyways i know you're probably going to disagree with everything i say and reassure me that it "will work" like you always do and i won't care enough to fight it so it's whatever. also it's my best friends birthday tonight so idek if i will be able to attend.
Christy (to Joanna): After all the shit that went down, I agree with you. I really do. But all the big lies came from Helen, not Penny or Erin I'll quote some things what Penny said, and I'll let you decide.

Penny wrote:
Erin and I have been by ourselves pretty much the whole game so we've only been voting with Brian and Helen out of necessity. We feel they'll screw us at the first opportunity so we feel no loyalty towards them.

Socially you're the only real Asterian who has really bothered to strike up a conversation with me except for Daniel who obviously isnt here. So realistically the third slot in the Final 3 is up for grabs if you want it. I dont want to take Helen or Brian since Helen would probably win and Brian is a moron. I honestly dont feel that Joanna deserves it but I feel that she would win and Rob has played a strong game, but I just dont think I could stand seeing him win either.

I reckon we'd be close to even matched finalists. You'd probably have a slight advantage but its balanced out by the fact that at least you would be someone I would be happy with winning. Realistically I dont think I have a guaranteed shot with any combination so I am going to have to perform well at Final Tribal if I am fortunate enough to make it.

But yeah, Helen and Brian would most likely be up for booting Rob. Im sure you realise your chances with me and Erin on a heavy Asteria Jury are better than with Rob who will most likely win.

So let me know what you're thinking. Obviously a split vote is the ideal scenario.


Penny wrote:
Im definitely interested. If you help Erin and I get rid of Rob, then jump in as our Third and we'll go to the Final 3 together.

It might be tough with an Asteria Jury, but I'd rather lose to you than lose to moron Brian since you'd at least deserve it.


Penny wrote:
The timing isnt great, since it does bring the Helios and Asteria numbers back down to 3v3 which isnt ideal for me obviously. Especially with Rob still here and his Idol.

I can give you an absolute guarantee though that I dont want to be going against Helen at the Final 3 so I personally wont be voting for her this coming round, but most likely will be the round after, as ill need some support to get her out (Brian wont vote her out because he is an idiot.)



Penny didn't put this effort into her last PMs.
Joanna (to Christy): ugh see i knew this was going to happen. we still better be playing the idol. seriously idc who you give it to but we have to.
Christy (to Joanna): Penny really seems genuine. I don't know if it'll work out or not, but it's the best shot we've got.

Penny wants to split the votes between you and Rob. She'll ask Rob about it - if she does, I think it's legit, if not... then something is wrong.
Joanna (to Christy): what do you mean she'll ask Rob about it?

and yep called this happening you believing them.. again... lol
Christy (to Joanna): I told her to ask him, so she should do that.

Well, what other option do we have? Nothing.
Joanna (to Christy): ok are you voting Helen?
Christy (to Joanna): yes, but she might win immunity. I assume you can't stick around... ask if you can pre-vote for Brian as a second choice.
Joanna (to Christy): ok will do.
Christy (to Joanna): We can go for Erin to get rid of the idol. Thoughts? I don't want to leave Brian and Helen together, but Helen will be immune.
Joanna (to Christy): i'd agree with that.
Christy (to Joanna): Which one would you rather do?
Joanna (to Christy): Erin for sure keep it with Erin i gtg soon
Christy (to Joanna): Ok, Erin. Rob's up for it.
Joanna (to Christy): ok gl gtg literally party is at my house ugh
Christy (to Joanna): Have fun, Jo, hopefully we still can talk tomorrow

Love you!
Joanna (to Christy): i agree if not win it!
Christy (to Joanna): I think I'll use the idol on you after the message Penny sent. GL!





Joanna (to Rob): that was hilariously weird you see how i cant trust them?
Rob (to Joanna): Helen wrote:
That Ted was playing the fuck out of both sides, and doing a brilliant job of it, while sitting pretty in the middle and being completely unexposed. No one even realized it.

Even though Brian and I were urging Helios to vote for Shawna at F10, it wasn't until Ted said "Shawna"s name on his own that the tide turned, and he picked the first boot. Ted flocked to Helios to take out Shawna.

Last round, he was claiming to be with Penny and her 4-3-2 or 3-3-3 plan, but wanted Daniel out. Which, I was prone to agree with actually, because I wanted Shawna/Daniel as the first two boots, too, but some convincing was required of the others. Ted didn't like that, so he approached you guys and had that taken care of, and acted like it wasn't his plan (which you admitted, it was).

This round, he played coy with us while approaching you guys with the 3-3-2 plan. Then, when you asked me about it, and I asked Ted, he acted as though it was the first time he'd heard of it---even thought you said it was his plan. But really, he wanted Erin out most, which is why, if you'd notice, it should've been 2 votes Erin (you/Ted) and 2 votes Penny (Christy/Joanna), but Ted voted Erin because he felt like it.

Not to mention he was an IC threat, no one could tell he was walking the line between each side, and getting us alternate picking off members of each tribe until he was left in the middle at the end for a certain F3 spot. That's why, I think, his response to being voted out was the way that it was. He knew what he was doing when he near singlehandedly controlled the first three rounds of this merge, and he was perfectly in the middle for safety.

Because of him being in the middle, we'd have no idea where his allegiances actually were, and anytime he wanted something done, he'd do it himself and do it covertly. And if we approached you guys to take Ted out, you could've (and SHOULD have, in that case) easily seen through us being wishy-washy for three rounds now, taken Ted, and gone to the F4 with all Asteria. And frankly, for all we know, Ted would've made sure of that happening because no one knows (maybe you do, but not me, at least) what his plan was this entire time. Now, am I saying you WOULD have done that (because you've shown your trust time and time again), no, absolutely not. But, frankly, it would've been your best move, and that's why it would be dangerous even putting the available option out there.


Read that and let me know your thoughts.
Joanna (to Rob): they will continue to lie to us because she has you wrapped around her finger and we have no moves anyways?
Rob (to Joanna): She does not have me wrapped around her finger I thought we needed her but she never told me what to do.
Joanna (to Rob): well idk what to do at this point. we are still out numbered, and even when they tel us shit they will be lying.
Rob (to Joanna): We don't really have another choice.
Joanna (to Rob): lol if i haven't heard that line before but yeah i guess you're right. maybe other offers will come into play.
Joanna (to Rob): so i can't talk for long it's my best friends birthday and we are going out to eat. has Christy told you about the idol?
Rob (to Joanna): She has. I'm still not sure what to do with it. We don't want to waste it AND lose a number.
Joanna (to Rob): we are using it tonight. it's our last chance. we are voting for Helen. it's going to be me or Christy most likely because you would be too obvious.
Rob (to Joanna): Apparently Christy is pretending like she is going to give up and just vote for me so maybe they will go for me? So I don't know what to do. We need to be super careful though
Joanna (to Rob): They are going to call on her bullshit. They are too smart for that. Seriously IDK if I'll be here so promise me you WON'T believe a fucking word they say. You guys just gotta think AROUND what they say. I'm going to send you a PM that I sent Christy that will piss you off but whatevs think about it
Joanna (to Rob): i know you're gonna be pissed at me for saying this but i'm going to go head and say it because i really wanna get it off my chest.

it really frustrates me how you and Rob continually think that trying to cut deals with those guys is going to work. they have been manipulating us this whole time, splitting out votes so they know exactly where every one is going to vote. they are fucking playing circles around us. think about this, if ted wasn't a dumbass and switched his vote to Erin and we piggybacked like i said, it would have been a fucking 4v4 tie and ted would have one because he is the best challenge competitor out there. like you have to think AROUND what they are saying. i just don't know how to explain to you guys that we CANNOT seriously work with them. spin fucking lies for the hell of it whatever but agreeing with them on anything WILL NOT WORK. the only panic we have ever costed them was when i threatened ted that i was going to vote against Rob and Helen and Brian had to reveal that they were in on the plan because they were scared i wasn't going to do it. this is our last chance pretty much so why don't we just go to fucking war on them? scare the shit out of them. lie like fucking madmen. make them sweat and second guess themselves?

anyways i know you're probably going to disagree with everything i say and reassure me that it "will work" like you always do and i won't care enough to fight it so it's whatever. also it's my best friends birthday tonight so idek if i will be able to attend.
Rob (to Joanna): What do you suggest we do then?
Joanna (to Rob): all vote Helen. it's going to be me or Christy. just try and think around them. they lied to you before you should be able to detect it. threaten them to saying they better choose wisely. make them nervous i gtg.
Rob (to Joanna): Are you going to be back for TC?
Joanna (to Rob): well now Christy wants you to play the idol so whatevz and IDK if i'll be at tribal
Rob (to Joanna): Vote for Helen and don't say anything to anyone.
Rob (to Joanna): Vote for Erin.
Joanna (to Rob): i am gl i gtg!

Rob (to Brian): Yet another lie. I don't see the point.
Brian (to Rob): I was honest about the part where I said someone from Asteria wouldn't be going home for the first time... Assuming you voted for Penny, three people (including Ted) messed up that vote anyway and the split wasn't happening.
Rob (to Brian): Ted was an Asteria and you voted for him and he went home, so...

Who messed up the vote and why wasn't the split happening?
Brian (to Rob): Fail on my part. Ted was obviously originally from Helios and voted with original Helios for merge vote #1 and half of them for vote #2, so his loyalty was uncertain. He didn't seem to want to vote out an Asterian this past vote though and appeared to be growing too close to you, Christy, and Joanna. So we blindsided him.

Probably not surprisingly to you at this point, Helen and I messed up the past vote. Ted was also a wildcard, and he showed that by not even following the split-vote plan we continuously reinforced with him since he wanted Erin gone to make it 4-2-2 rather than the 3-3-2 we discussed.
Rob (to Brian): You and Helen wouldn't have messed up the vote if you didn't feel the need to lie to me at every opportunity.
Brian (to Rob): Arguing further...

With the original plan, if Erin would've played the idol, it would've been 2-2 anyway (thanks to Ted) and who knows what would've happened. Ted was a wildcard who needed out of the game while he could. Because if he couldn't follow through with that plan, what could he actually even follow through with? Plus, despite his quiet nature, he was a huge challenge and strategic threat. This went completely unnoticed on original Helios. I legit thought he was one of the worst PMers.

Are relations between the two of us dead after, now, two straight TC vote lies? Or are you desperate enough to stay that you'd be willing to do something again?
Rob (to Brian): But the thing is, I wanted to get rid of Ted too. I didn't trust him at all. I wanted to get rid of him next. If you had told me about it, I'd have voted him out this time, but for some reason you didn't trust me enough to tell me.
Brian (to Rob): No, we didn't trust you enough to tell you about voting out Ted. Obviously, you/Christy/Joanna are close. Ted would give you a clear path to the final 4 if you were able to recruit him and for all we knew, you might have been. Ted was ultimately out for himself and it's difficult to even predict where his loyalties were and would've stayed. You obviously didn't trust us as much after we voted out Shawna, and I doubt the sub-alliance of 4 would've actually existed since it likely would've been 3-3 anyway at that 6.

Maybe I wasn't even joking about you being the person I trust the least in the game also. 2 of the last 3 tribal councils seem to indicate that. But interestingly, despite the fact that you've been blindsided with the votes, you're still in the game. So what does that mean?
Rob (to Brian): Do you not find what you said slightly hypocritical? "Ted was out only for himself." "We booted Ted because we didn't want you to join up with him and go to the F4 because we want to be in the F4." How is what you did any different from what Ted did? Should we blindside you tonight for looking out for yourself?

Why don't you think the suballiance of four would have worked? I was 100% committed to that.

You have no reason not to trust me, you realize that right? I have never lied to you and I have never betrayed you.





Penny (to Rob):
Rob (to Penny): Don't even pretend like you had anything to do with that. Helen has you wrapped around her finger, I hope you know that.





Erin (to Joanna): Sorry if I was too harsh on you last TC. I was trying to save my butt Joanna. I still think of you as a cool person.
Joanna (to Erin): i wasnt even paying attention i was skyping. i'll go reread.
Joanna (to Erin): ooh yeah how rude!
Erin (to Joanna): I was trying to save my butt, Joanna. You did vote for me though...
Joanna (to Erin): well yeah you never responded to my PMs so why would i trust you lol
seriously helios is playing this flawlessly but the titans have to clash eventually i just don't know when.
Erin (to Joanna): I was putting on an act, Joanna. I'm sorry if it hurt your feelings. But you voting off Daniel hurt my feelings.

I still think you're cool though since you follow Edgic Remember our merge night talk?
Joanna (to Erin): I had to do Daniel. Me voting with you guys still wouldn't have matter he still would have gone.

And yes the good ol' merge talks back then...

Also WHY THE FUCK am I always the decoy
Erin (to Joanna): Because you're the most likeable one. And no one would actually vote for you.
Joanna (to Erin): well it was really legit to me because you guys are "scurred" of the idol.
and lol at likeable everyone is pissed at my for blowing everything off repeatedly HAH you even called me out on that.
Erin (to Joanna): So who really has the idol?
Joanna (to Erin): He does durr why do you think he mutinyed to you guys way back when
Erin (to Joanna): That's what we thought too. You think there's a shot he'll give it to you?
Joanna (to Erin): Well I asked for it tonight because I legit thought I was going home and he didn't give it to me but IDK it may have been because he was so "confident"
Erin (to Joanna): If you can tell me what Rob/Christy are planning, there's a shot I can keep you around for longer in the game.
Joanna (to Erin): Ok I'm not sure what they're doing yet but I will find out sometime this day.





Christy (to Erin): I am shocked. Well played, never saw this coming. I assume the four Helios voted together, yes?
Erin (to Christy): Yea, also Ted's girlfriend helped with her Skyping too
Christy (to Erin): That skyping thing was damn funny.

Look Erin, I only voted for you, because Helen and Brian instructed us, because they told us that you have the idol. I brought up the idea of booting Helen to Penny, because she was on earlier today, but she shut it down because she knew she couldn't be here.
But you've got to see, that Helen and Brian are playing all of us, and that needs to change. They are smooth talkers, I know, but if any of those two get to the F3, they'll win.
Erin (to Christy): So what are you suggesting?
Christy (to Erin): Split them up. Whatever condition you have as for 'what happens after', I'm willing to take.
Erin (to Christy): The numbers aren't right to do that. I assume the three of you will vote to get rid of one of them next. If I flip, how do I not know that the five remaining players won't team up and get rid of me? I need something solid...
Christy (to Erin): Exactly that's the reason why I told you to give us any condition you want to.

Look, I'm willing to go to the final three with you and Penny. We can boot Helen and Brian back-to-back, then I'll flip on Asteria, to go with the two of you. Or even boot an Asteria at F6 if you want me to do that.

But it's extremely important to everyone's game to boot Helen or Brian, because it will be too late later on.
Erin (to Christy): I'd rather boot one of them at F6. They still trust me Christy and I'm going to take that for now. My counter offer is we get rid of an Asterian now and then, split them up.

AND DON'T TELL THIS TO Rob.
Christy (to Erin): I'm not planning on planning any of this to Rob. These are private messages for a reason, and I need to be out for myself at this point.

Converse with Penny, at the first opportunity you've got, because we're discussing interesting things, and I think it'd be better if I don't jump on you right now
Erin (to Christy): I've talked to Penny and I think she's talked to you? What are you thinking in terms of tonight?
Christy (to Erin): She told me that if I vote for Rob this round, then she's willing to go for Helen at the F6. And you know how strongly I feel about that.
Erin (to Christy): So will you do it? Helen thinks she's in charge. Both Penny and I will flip and get rid of Helen next round.
Christy (to Erin): Yes, I will. It's my only option if I don't want to be in a constant danger.







Penny (to Christy): Hey Christy.

Obviously I had to do a bit of fibbing regarding Tribal Council because I didnt want you to tell Rob/Ted about us going for Ted and then him playing his Immunity Idol. So I just told you it was Joanna instead.

That vote was worked out pretty much straight after the Daniel vote. Im sorry I had to lie, I still feel really bad about it. But I hope you understand.

You didnt get any votes again.
Christy (to Penny): No worries Penny, I can't expect everyone to always tell me the votes. I'm grateful to still be here. That round was kind of a milestone for me, so I'm filled with joy right now.

I know we talked about getting rid of Helen, and I was wondering if maybe you'd vote with us. I talked with Erin, and she seemed interested, but she wasn't sure. Just because, she and Brian have too much control right now. They can just keep flipping-flopping until the two of them eventually steamroll to the finals. None of us wants that to happen. I know the time is kind of iffy for you and Erin, just consider it please.
Penny (to Christy): The timing isnt great, since it does bring the Helios and Asteria numbers back down to 3v3 which isnt ideal for me obviously. Especially with Rob still here and his Idol.

I can give you an absolute guarantee though that I dont want to be going against Helen at the Final 3 so I personally wont be voting for her this coming round, but most likely will be the round after, as ill need some support to get her out (Brian wont vote her out because he is an idiot.)
Christy (to Penny): Look, I can obviously give you that support next round what you need to get Helen out. She's the clearest threat in this whole game, and she needs to go ASAP.

If you want to get rid of Rob and the idol, I have a plan, in which I could help. You just have to ask.
Penny (to Christy): Im definitely interested. If you help Erin and I get rid of Rob, then jump in as our Third and we'll go to the Final 3 together.

It might be tough with an Asteria Jury, but I'd rather lose to you than lose to moron Brian since you'd at least deserve it.
Christy (to Penny): That's what I was going to propose actually - I'm willing to vote Rob out today. A final three with you sounds fierce. But we need Joanna too tonight though, just so he can comfort Rob as well. He cannot know that it's him. Maybe you or Erin could play along just to comfort him even more.

I need to do what I need for my game right now. I cannot worry about Rob at this stage. I really hope you see this, and not going to screw me over at the first opportunity.
Penny (to Christy): Erin and I have been by ourselves pretty much the whole game so we've only been voting with Brian and Helen out of necessity. We feel they'll screw us at the first opportunity so we feel no loyalty towards them.

Socially you're the only real Asterian who has really bothered to strike up a conversation with me except for Daniel who obviously isnt here. So realistically the third slot in the Final 3 is up for grabs if you want it. I dont want to take Helen or Brian since Helen would probably win and Brian is a moron. I honestly dont feel that Joanna deserves it but I feel that she would win and Rob has played a strong game, but I just dont think I could stand seeing him win either.

I reckon we'd be close to even matched finalists. You'd probably have a slight advantage but its balanced out by the fact that at least you would be someone I would be happy with winning. Realistically I dont think I have a guaranteed shot with any combination so I am going to have to perform well at Final Tribal if I am fortunate enough to make it.

But yeah, Helen and Brian would most likely be up for booting Rob. Im sure you realise your chances with me and Erin on a heavy Asteria Jury are better than with Rob who will most likely win.

So let me know what you're thinking. Obviously a split vote is the ideal scenario.
Christy (to Penny): Penny why don't you have any confidence? You played a hellahot game until this point, no need to have a defeatist attitude. Jury likes confident people.

But I agree that the three of us would be a pretty balanced F3 - I don't know if I'd have an advantage with more Asteria on the jury though. I mean, I won't get Dan for sure, and my relationship with Shawna was basically non-existent.

A split-vote is what we should do. I obviously don't like it, because it puts me in jeopardy, but that's what would be the best to guarantee us not leaving. Just let me know what do you decide.
Penny (to Christy): Im 100% down with a split vote. Let me know what you think we should vote and ill tell the Helios'
Christy (to Penny): I'll vote for Rob to prove my loyalty to you and Erin. I think you should 'dictate' how the rest should go.
Penny (to Christy): Dictate?

So that would be the three of us voting for Rob then? You reckon Joanna will vote with us?

I dont know what the best option is for the other three to vote for. Since they wont vote for each other? So naturally their votes would go to Joanna?
Christy (to Penny): Joanna won't vote with us. She wants to stick with Rob and Asteria.

Helen and Brian should vote for Joanna though. I mean... obviously I don't want them to vote for me, and that's the only other option. Will you tell them the news?

Also, ask Rob to vote for Joanna. That way it'll be 3-3-1, and on the revote we could get Rob out - and if he uses the idol, then Jo goes home with ease.
Penny (to Christy): Ahh ok that complicates things slightly.

Yeah Joanna is the target otherwise, but we need to make sure we keep Rob honest so he plays his Idol.

I doubt he'll do what we say, he'll just fuck it up for everybody somehow.
Christy (to Penny): So, you, me and Erin will vote for Rob, while Helen and Brian will vote for Joanna, correct? gosh, I'm excited

I think asking him would be safe, just so if he idols someone out, it'll be Joanna not you.
Penny (to Christy): Well I just told Joanna about the plan and that if she doesn't vote with us it'll be her going home.

It has to be in her best interests to vote with us. If she doesn't vote Rob then she'll be going home. Also if she tells Rob about the plan he'll play the Idol for himself and Joanna will go home instead.

So unless she suicides herself, she'll vote with us.

At the moment it stands as;

Erin-Brian-Helen: Voting for Joanna
Penny-Christy-Joanna: Voting for Rob
Rob: Probably voting for me.
Christy (to Penny): Sounds good to me. I'm actually shaking in excitement. Here's hoping that none of them wins immunity

I'll talk to Jo about what she's going to go. Maybe she changed her mind, idk.

Thanks for doing this with me Penny, I really appreciate it
Penny (to Christy): Not at all. Hopefully everything works out! Lets try and win Immunity! <3
Christy (to Penny): Everything is going according to plan so far

Helen's on my ass about the vote though... are you sure they'll be up for it?
Penny (to Christy): Yeah I just messaged you and Jo Jo the latest plan that I'd been told. Everything should be all good.




Penny (to Joanna): Hey Jo Jo!

Just a word of warning that Helios are planning on splitting the votes between you and Rob tonight since we know Rob is playing his Idol.

I just wanna tell you because if you vote Rob with Christy and myself we can vote him out on the re-vote. If you dont tell him what is going on then he wont play his Idol and he'll get voted out, then we can vote together at the next Tribal and boot Helen out of the game because is an OTT spaz.

Its not in your best interests to tell Rob about this, because he'll play the Idol and you'll get voted out, plus if you dont vote with us it'll be 3 votes for you from Brian, Helen and Erin and only 2 votes against Rob.

Just telling you since I saw you online, and hopefully you'll make the right move.
Joanna (to Penny): lol don't worry i don't care about Rob whatsoever. and Christy already told me.
Joanna (to Penny): hah yes that sounds perfect! i'm prevoting now, my best friends birthday is tonight and there is a party at my house so i gtg!
Penny (to Joanna): GL Jo Jo! Have fun tonight as well! <3





Penny (to Christy, Joanna): Hey Jo Jo and Christy.

Just letting you know the latest details. Helen-Brian-Erin are voting for you tonight Joanna. We are countering with the three of us voting Rob. I think they are making some fake deals with Rob so that he doesn't play his Idol.

On the re-vote we are all voting Rob.

Obviously next target has to be Helen. Erin is in with this so it'll be us 4 against Brian and Helen. Is that cool?