Brian wrote:
I suppose I'm ready.
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| Author: | Jeff Probst [ Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:00:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Final Tribal Council - Part 2 |
Welcome finalists. I hope you guys are well rested and ready to face the snake pit yet again. |
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| Author: | Brian [ Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:01:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2 |
I suppose I'm ready. |
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| Author: | Penny [ Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:01:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2 |
Im hungover. Please dont post any of those flashy gif's because there's nothing worse when you have a headache lol. |
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| Author: | Shawna [ Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:02:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2 |
Brian wrote: I suppose I'm ready.
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| Author: | Helen [ Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:04:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2 |
Hi Jeff and jury. Ready to proceed. If I could, there are a few housekeeping matters from yesterday's end-of-evening "rapport" that I went to post only to see that the thread was locked... Penny wrote: Thats the problem with your strategic game. You looked towards the end but didnt think about getting there in the first place. I did think about getting there, that's the entire point. If we "got to" the F5 with you, Erin, and Daniel, then Brian and I would both have been toast and at your mercy. You're angry about it because we were looking out for ourselves, which is the exact same reason that you wanted Daniel in, because he was a bigger asset to you personally. You're telling me that I'm making a bad move for myself by not giving into your F5 where I'm dead meat. Not to mention, you brought up multiple times how Erin viewed me as a challenge threat and wanted to take me out before we even reached the end (since she was comparable in challenges and likely could've gone on the same IC streak that I did). With Rob gone at F9, Daniel could have recruited Joanna, and I'd have been expendable as soon as F8, so I wouldn't have even "got to" there in the first place. This is why you refrained from telling Daniel your endgame plans in his FTC question yesterday because by answering honestly you would confirm that eliminating Daniel was right for Brian's and mine protection when all you've ever done is chastise us for it because it wasn't good for you. Moreover, you've acknowledged that I was a social and physical threat, meaning as soon as an alliance was comfortable and could dispose of a number, it would be me. F10 through F8 was all about protecting myself from you and others having the capability to turn and take me out. You've pledged since Day 01 that your loyalty was to me and Brian, so either: (1) you were lying then, because, as you've shared with the jury already last night, you were apparently as trigger happy as Erin to take me out, so I couldn't let you have the numbers to do it, and hence, Daniel fell victim. (2) you really were loyal, and you're lying now to save face in your endeavor to have Carmen Sandiego erase history so that you can re-write it. Penny wrote: I made the big moves and the big calls. I was prepared to go home every night and took huge risks Your big moves were all to eliminate your enemy Rob, which stood for you to benefit from more than others. You pressured Ted to flush his idol on eliminating Rob at Asteria, which luckily he didn't. You recruited Daniel to vote out Rob at F10, but we kept you from doing that since Rob was our asset for F9/F8. You tried to get Joanna/Christy to vote against their closest ally Rob at F9 (and you believed them) in a failed 3-3-3 that wouldn't have worked anyways because we told you Ted wasn't down for doing it. And then, you expected Joanna/Christy to vote against their closest ally Rob (again, since it's not like they lied about it last time) at F7 (and you believed them) in a failed 3-3-1 that Erin suffered for. You did take risks because you viewed the safety of your allies as an acceptable sacrifice in your personal quest to fulfill your blind personal vendetta on your arch nemesis. Penny wrote: The fact is if we'd voted for Rob not only that round, but the multitude of rounds beforehand he would have gone home. Christy playing the Idol is not my fault, had you two both trusted my judgement and voted out Rob just once before, we wouldnt have been in the mess in the first place. Erin will also share the amount of times that I brought Rob's name up for elimination, and the amount of times the pair of you shut down that option because "Oh he might the Idol, boo hoo." Let me get something straight. You're mad that Brian and I didn't join you to vote out Rob the 17 times that you wanted to? Well, just to be clear, as long as Rob stayed in the game, "Rob" was the only name you were uttering since you apparently loathe him so much to want him out every round, meaning you wouldn't be targeting "Helen" and "Brian." This is why we targeted people OTHER THAN Rob. And yet, you chastise us more for not giving into your every reasonless impulse because WE are each playing the game for our OWN self-preservation and NOT playing the game for YOU. Penny wrote: This is completely false. I told you to vote for Rob the entire time, because I knew that if you happened to lose the Immunity Challenge, you would beat Rob in a challenge tie breaker and so my greatest threat would be out of the game while I would keep my numbers. No, actually, you said that JOANNA was the best shot of us winning the tiebreaker challenge. But you're right in saying that Rob was YOUR (and just YOUR) greatest threat. One, I thought you already told the jury that you were targeting me every round? If that's not the case, then I suppose that keeping Rob in the game ended up being advantageous for me, huh? Two, you claiming that you didn't agree all weekend long to vote out Joanna is about as historically accurate as you claiming that we're more responsible than you are for Erin getting idoled out, or later tonight, when you take credit for erecting the Greek Parthenon and then blame Brian and I for it being in ruins centuries later. Penny wrote: The two of you were stupid enough to believe that Rob would actually flip to us after we spent all pre-merge bagging him Not only have you completely ignored the explanations about this that I gave you at F11 and F10, but you aren't even bothering to read what I already wrote to correct your misconception here in FTC. You can refer to the first point in the bottommost post on Page 2 of this thread (replacing typo: "we were with us" to "we were with them" explaining why it was important for Rob to trust us with his target to save with Ted's idol and avoid a 5-5 tie, and you didn't care about jeopardizing any of that because you constantly demand attention). Penny wrote: You're lucky that I fought so hard to keep us alive after the Daniel vote, or else all three of us wouldnt have made it this far. I don't know how that's true, because until last night, you didn't even know the whole story about the Daniel vote, not to mention, the only thing you did at F8 was vote according to our plan (that is, after you tried to "help" by thoughtlessly telling Christy/Joanna/Rob that Brian and I were targeting them when the entire plan was founded on Christy/Joanna/Rob trusting us to vote for you, meaning you forced us to do otherwise unnecessary damage control because you have to try to ruin any plan that's not your own). The three of us (you, me, and Brian) voted together for 8/10 TCs. The two that we didn't include when Brian and I took out Daniel who you just said you wanted to be your goat and then when you demanded that Brian, Erin, and I vote for Christy while you senselessly voted for Rob (meaning, even if Christy didn't play her idol, that Erin would have been subjected to a tiebreaker since you were that narrow-minded to still try to take Rob out and expect his closest allies to vote for him instead of one of the four of us that were targeting them). We all need to accept that fact that each of us being here is partly indebted to ourselves, partly indebted to luck, and partly indebted to the other two, among a NUMBER of other things. If you think that you were guaranteed to be sitting here tonight no matter what anyone else did because you think that highly of yourself (you seem to forget how many times we could've joined the already-present effort to vote you out and did it successfully), that makes you delusional. Penny wrote: You were plotting against me from that episode. This proves that I am a better player than you.  I don't even know how the fuck you get that, but okay!It's easy to make baseless sweeping generalizations like "your strategic game was inadequate" or "I am a better player than you," but it's a lot more difficult to actually defend them without basking in your own ignorance about which plans were actually crafted by people besides yourself while hiding your own doesn't-play-well-with-others attitude. |
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| Author: | Brian [ Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:04:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2 |
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| Author: | Jeff Probst [ Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:06:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2 |
I can let you guys fight for another 5 minutes while i sort out jury order XD |
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| Author: | Jeff Probst [ Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:11:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2 |
Or just be silent, that's cool... Okay Christy, please start us off this evening my queen. |
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| Author: | Penny [ Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:11:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2 |
I got half way down before I realised you were just rambling. The Jury will notice that both Brian and Helen have done nothing to negate the key strategic moves that I made which not only resulted in me moving forward, but both Helen and Brian. Fact: If I hadnt scrambled arriving at the merge I would have been voted out and Helios would have been down 6-3. Helen and Brian would have both been sent home following me as well. I was the one who convinced Daniel to flip, while Helen and Brian were content to let Rob decide our fate. He voted against me, if it wasnt for me we would have lost the opening vote. Fact: Helen and Brian trusted Ted more than Daniel, even though they admit that they knew Ted was playing both sides. They still thought it made sense to vote out the player that was actually voting with us. Fact: I put Rob's name forward at every Tribal Council for elimination because he was the best strategic player (in my opinion) from the opposing side. Everytime Helen and Brian said no because he might play an Immunity Idol, how many times did Rob play an Immunity Idol? Christy ended up playing the Idol, the person that Helen and Brian forced myself and Erin to change to after they continued to obsess that Rob would be the one to play an Idol. I have continually had to come back from adversity after these two ruined the strategic position that I worked to put us in on more than one occasion. They wont address this, they will just continue to skirt the issue and make baseless accusations that I made a mess, when in actuality, they made the mess, I cleaned it up. Three times. |
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| Author: | Christy [ Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:13:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2 |
Hey, guys! Gj at being the final three. I'm not going to say anything more, because noone wants to hear the same things over and over again about how deserving the three of you are. I'd rather keep this relatively short, so here we go. Brian In your opening speech you basically described how you willingly rode coattails. If you want my vote tell me why you deserve it more over Helen. That's it. Penny hey, girl! Actually I've rewritten my entire question after your opening. Before it, I was 80-20 about voting for you (you with 20, Helen with 80), but I'd say I'm fifty-fifty right now. My question is: was there any point in this game when you seriously considered voting out Helen over anyone had she not won immunity? Thanks, and good luck  Helen Great game, great opening full of fluff. Here's my concern: I think that after the first few merge rounds you set yourself up for a fall. Everyone knew you were a threat, and I think that the biggest reason you're there is because of your immunityrun. I think that a great player doesn't need immunity, eventhough it's part of the game. So, here's my task for you: give me a possible rundown on events, assuming you never won immunity (and assuming that the winner of the immunity-challenge was always safe and that it never played part in who's going home). Got it? Here's the catch though. We all know how much do you like writing, and since your opening speech was long enough, I want you to answer my question in less than... say, 110 words. Have fun! Additional task for everyone - rank everyone you've met in this game, based on how much you liked them. No explanation needed. Good luck guys ^_^ |
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