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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:03:10 am 
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Brian, the jury seems to think of you to be, more or less, feckless. You’re giving better Helen answers than Helen is actually. I WANT YOU TO CONVINCE THE JURY WHY YOUR GAMEPLAY WAS SUPERIOR TO THE TWO OTHER PEOPLE SITTING NEXT TO YOU. Tell my why Helen and Penny suck. Bring out the guns! Also, if you had to compare your gameplay to a Survivor contestant, who would it be?

I'll answer in capital letteres to emphasize my points.

I THINK THE ERROR THAT PENNY IS MAKING RIGHT NOW IS THAT SHE IS CLAIMING THAT SHE WAS ESSENTIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENTIRE POST-MERGE SUCCESS OF HELIOS. THE HONEST TRUTH? SHE WASN'T. OBVIOUSLY. IT WASN'T EVEN CLOSE. YES, SHE MADE BIG MOVES. SOME OF THEM DID WORK. SOME OF THEM DIDN'T. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HELEN AND PENNY WAS THAT HELEN'S STRATEGIES WERE MORE THOUGHT OUT AND CONSISTENT (EVEN THOUGH SOME WERE FLAWED, LIKE PENNY'S), AND PENNY'S WERE SEMI-IMPULSIVE AND LAST-MINUTE, BUT SHE IS JUSTIFYING THEM HERE AS HAVING BEEN WELL-THOUGHT, GENIUS MOVES.

I FEEL LIKE I'M THE ONLY JUROR NOT MISREPRESENTING MYSELF. I'M NOT AN HONEST, LOYAL PLAYER, EVEN THOUGH I WAS IN THIS GAME TO HELEN AND PENNY (AND MOSTLY YOU BEFORE YOU WERE TAKEN OUT). I PLANNED ON LYING/DECEIVING AND POTENTIALLY BACKSTABBING. I JUST NEVER NEEDED TO DO IT. IT WAS UNNECESSARY, AND WITH HELEN/PENNY ALREADY CREATING CONFLICTING PLANS, IT MADE THE MOST SENSE TO BE QUIET, IN THE BACKGROUND AND LET THEM PLAY OUT RATHER THAN CREATING A THIRD PLAN TO JUST JEOPARDIZE MY FULLY SAFE POSITION. I WOULD HAVE EITHER LET HELEN BE TAKEN OUT OR EVEN TAKEN HER OUT MYSELF IF THE OPPORTUNITY CAME UP, BUT IT DIDN'T MAINLY DUE TO HER IMMUNITY WINS, SO I PLEDGED FULL LOYALTY TO HELEN AND PENNY SO THAT THEY BELIEVED THEY COULD TRUST ME AND WOULD INCLUDE ME IN WHATEVER PLAN THAT THEY WERE MAKING.

HELEN TRUSTED ME MORE THAN SHE SHOULD HAVE. SHE'S ADMITTED IN THIS TRIBAL COUNCIL SHE TOLD ME EVERYTHING AND WAS COMPLETELY HONEST WITH ME, TRUSTING ME. I COULD'VE USED THAT TO BRING HER DOWN THROUGH FORWARDING PM'S AND CONSIDERED IT. SHE COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN BROUGHT DOWN WITH ONE NON-SKILL BASED CHALLENGE. OR SPEED. I WAS FASTER THAN HER AT THE NON-SPEED BASED CHALLENGES, AND YOU WERE PROBABLY AS WELL. SO WITH THOSE TYPES OF CHALLENGES, I COULD HAVE WON, AND SHE WOULD HAVE WENT HOME. PENNY, A LOT OF THE GAME DESPITE HER CLAIMS, ALSO ONLY STAYED BECAUSE SHE WAS VIEWED AS A GOAT AND THE LEAST LIKELY WINNER. THIS IS SIMILAR TO HOW I MADE IT TO THE END, BUT PENNY IS JUSTIFYING THAT SHE MADE IT FAR BASED ON HER GENIUS STRATEGY AND MOVES --- WHEN A LOT OF HER STRATEGY INVOLVED HER PERCEPTION AS A "GOAT" TO GET THIS FAR. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHY ROB TURNED AGAINST CHRISTY AT FINAL 6 --- BECAUSE HE THOUGHT HE COULD GO TO THE FINALS WITH ME AND PENNY AND BEAT BOTH OF US.

I REALIZED THIS AND UNDERSTAND MY PERCEPTION, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT. I'M NOT CLAIMING TO BE SOMEONE WHO I WASN'T. I FELT LIKE I DID PLAY A STRONG, THINKING GAME. IT JUST WASN'T AS VISIBLE, AND THAT WAS INTENTIONAL TO IMPROVE MY CHANCES OF MAKING IT TO THE END.

Aras: I'd compare myself to Aras. The entire season, Aras slipped by as under the radar. But he was STILL IN THE GAME. HE MADE ALLIANCES. HE STILL WON CHALLENGES. Looking back at winners, I think a lot of people think, what did he do? But in the context of the season, looking at the episodes, he was there the whole time. Involved.


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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:04:32 am 
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Erin wrote:
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Helen, you challenge beast, if you had to, tell me why Brian shouldn’t win this game? You’ve made convincing arguments against Penny but turn on Brian now.


Hi Erin! Sorry that you can't be sitting here with us icon_wub

Brian shouldn't win the game because he didn't have the connections with players to make the plans work, and he wasn't as active in coming up with the plans that were implemented. He even admitted earlier in tribal council that he knew my strategic knowhow and approach was something that he wouldn't be able to parallel or outperform.

Brian relied on my communications with Rob when he mutinied, as he said that I was instrumental in getting plan to work with Rob and Asteria to win the F11 IC and identify their target at F10. Brian relied on my communications with Ted when we rejoined him at the merge, as we needed him as a vote on our side, and he was. Brian relied on my communications with Asteria both when working with them and when working against them. Although we agreed on this plans, Brian didn't have the personal relationships to turn those plans into a reality. And even when I continued to talk to the other members of Asteria, he admitted that he had ceased communications with them almost entirely.

For someone who worked with me so closely to plan out each piece of the game, he wouldn't have been capable to make each of those things happen without me. And because he was dependent on me to execute those strategies and get to the end since he appeared not capable of being able to do it alone, he shouldn't win this game.

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Also, if you had to compare your gameplay to a Survivor contestant, who would it be?


Going into this game, I wouldn't have expected my strategy to play like this at all, so I'd never have anticipated relating my gameplay to this contestant, but my answer is Tom Westman. And if you're scoffing at that, let me explain why.

Pre-merge, Tom was identified as the leader of the Koror tribe, much in the manner that you even specifically turned to me once and called me our challenge leader. And because of stepping up to keep the tribe competitive and in a good position, he was a potential target at the merge.

Post-merge, in spite of being a threat down the road, he kept himself in a pivotal position in the alliances so that he couldn't be expendable. He had Ian and Katie as a majority over Gregg and Jenn. If the Helios "5" went to the end, we needed Ted there so that he would be on our side instead letting you and Penny take control or tie it up.

Strategically, when he expected Gregg and Jenn had successfully recruited Katie to join them at F5, he alluded to game theory saying that he needed to strike them first before they had the chance to strike him, which is why he reverted on his word and took out Gregg at F6. This same theory applied here for eliminating Daniel (who could've joined with you/Penny) and Ted (who could've joined with Asteria, if he changed his mind).

Physically, that reason is probably evident enough as it is. Tom was targeted post-merge not because he put himself in an inoperable strategic position, but because people identified him as a threat to win a jury vote. Regardless of whether or not I even so much as stand a chance of winning today, people identified me at F7 as deserving and threatening to win, and that's why immunity has come as a comfort to avoid the bullseye of being a potential threat in the final, regardless of whether it actually rings true.


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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:08:04 am 
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Thank you all for your honest and apt answers. You guys truly made this game amazing for me and I couldn't have asked for better players in my alliance.

I can't wait to talk to you guys out of the game and good luck to whoever wins icon_smile

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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:11:41 am 
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Thank you, Erin!

I just want to take a moment to thank everyone involved with helping make this game a success from the most active Losers Lodge ever (shout out to Ken, Jan, Jake, Ryan, Jeanne and Butch who I know are watching this right now) to my amazing co hosts who were here every day helping me get to know you guys better and make this a better experience for you. Of course, I couldn't continue without thanking every one of you for showing up and giving it your all (For the most part) and I hope I could put on a good game and a good experience for you that you will look back fondly on.

I know you've waited a long 25 days to reach this point final 3, but unfortunately you're going to have to wait a little longer.

Tomorrow, we will all reunite for an hour long question and answer session where I would like for everyone to wait their turn, not talk over each other (save that for the wrap party) and really get to the bottom of waht went down this season. Then I will reveal who has won Stranded in Greece along with the identities of all 16 players.

It starts at 9c/10e. See you then,

Good night and love you all (even you, Rob :P)!


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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:11:53 am 
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Brian wrote:
AND PENNY'S WERE SEMI-IMPULSIVE AND LAST-MINUTE, BUT SHE IS JUSTIFYING THEM HERE AS HAVING BEEN WELL-THOUGHT, GENIUS MOVES.


They were well thought out. They were only last minute because I had to spend hours arguing with you two and it became tiresome.

Just remember Jury that Brian and Helen's genius moves included voting out Daniel, even though he was one of our numbers, voting out Ted even though Brian and Helen argue that they trusted him more than me, letting Rob skittle his way through almost the entire game with an Idol sitting in his back pocket and not forcing him to play it once which of course lead to Christy pulling the Idol on us when we could have eliminated it at the... wait for it... very FIRST merge Tribal Council and then, after I spent all weekend convincing Rob to flip on his old tribe, deciding that it would be smarter to try and vote Joanna.

Just remember all of these dumb moves that Helen and Brian were chiefly responsible for which I had to clean up to propel us to the end. I was the one who got us the numbers in the first place, I was the one who actually bothered to target Asteria members and not actually go for our own alliance members lol. I was the one who spent the time getting Rob to flip his vote and I was the one who made the call to vote him out.

If Helen and Brian's claims about them mistrusting me so much are true, then I have faced even more adversity. Remember that they had the power to vote me out whenever they liked, I never once hid behind Immunity. Tactically I had Helen's elimination planned for weeks, and she survived because she was able to win a few challenges towards the end. She is lucky to be here, I worked strategically and socially to get here.


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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:12:18 am 
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Penny wrote:
But Daniel was voting with us. Regardless of whether or not you thought I would make moves after this, I was still very much on your side. Helios was always a tight 4, despite me sending out the fake Tribal dynamics. So you voted out Daniel to lessen my position in the game, knowing full well it would lessen all our positions in the game.


It wasn't just YOU sending out fake tribal dynamics. ALL OF US DID. Per the plan that I came up with at F11 when communicating with Rob. And then we extended it to the merge. He knows it. Brian knows it. Erin knows is. And yet, you claim to take full credit for it, and haven't even addressed me pointing out your inaccuracy pages back.

Didn't you already admit that is everything was stable at any point in time that you'd have used the opportunity to take me out? And Erin did the same? If we ever, ever a SINGLE time, had a disposable number, and I didn't win immunity, you could and claimed that you WOULD take me out because I displayed that I was a challenge threat pre-merge to save our tribe. If I gave you the opportunity, I'd have been eliminated at F8. I had to play round to round or I could've been easily taken out because you guys knew how dangerous I would be at the end of the game in challenges, and yet YOU never did anything about it.


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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:13:10 am 
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It was my idea to separate the Helios 4 into 2 sub alliances. Ask Erin, shes on the Jury, she'll tell you.

Dont try and take credit for strategic moves that you were not responsible for.


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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:13:26 am 
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Jurors, your votes are due and final at 12c/1e tonight, you have about an hour to reread over the question and answers and make sure you are making an informed and solid decision.

Good luck and I'll see you all tomorrow!


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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:13:54 am 
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If we still can speak before this is locked, I hope some of you saw something about my game that makes you think I wouldn't be a horrible winner.

And if not, maybe vote for me and continue the trend of lolwut moments that almost every tribal council resulted in?


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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 2
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:14:50 am 
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Penny wrote:
They were well thought out. They were only last minute because I had to spend hours arguing with you two and it became tiresome.


Expecting Joanna and Christy to vote against their closest ally Rob (not once, but TWICE) when you're telling them that we're going to split our votes, thus giving them the opportunity to vote with Rob and eliminate one of us (or tie, or idol, or whatever) is NOT well thought out. It is naive. All three of us told you it. And you stubbornly did it anyways, and it cost Erin her game.


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