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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 1
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:47:41 am 
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Helen wrote:
Penny wrote:
Ill say again that voting you out was a huge tactical error by Helen and Brian.


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To me if we had continued and Asteria grew to really dislike you, I would have absolutely taken you to the Finals with me. Because I believe that would have maximised my possibility of winning the game.


Alas. If Daniel is in finals with you and Erin, I'm not.


Thats the problem with your strategic game.

You looked towards the end but didnt think about getting there in the first place.

I gambled all game that I would be going to the end and made the best moves not only in my interests, but in both of your interests as well.

You two tried to play safe, which is evidenced by your obsession over the Immunity Idol. It didnt get played for like 3 or 4 Tribals, yet it came up every time with the pair of you.

I made the big moves and the big calls. I was prepared to go home every night and took huge risks. The pair of you were content on surviving on the words of Rob and Ted, who were both obviously playing us.

You're lucky that I fought so hard to keep us alive after the Daniel vote, or else all three of us wouldnt have made it this far.


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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 1
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:51:05 am 
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Penny wrote:
You looked towards the end but didnt think about getting there in the first place.
I gambled all game that I would be going to the end and made the best moves not only in my interests, but in both of your interests as well.

You two tried to play safe, which is evidenced by your obsession over the Immunity Idol. It didnt get played for like 3 or 4 Tribals, yet it came up every time with the pair of you.

Um, isn't it smart to consider all the scenarios and the possibility that the idol MIGHT come up? Because it was out there, and it did come up, so it just makes sense to idol-proof votes as much as possible. And keeping Ted with us and agreeing to his targets was partially to prevent his idol from being used against us also.


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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 1
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:53:10 am 
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Penny wrote:
1) Voting out Daniel because Ted asked you to, even though HE was playing in both camps and even though WE had the numbers advantage.


As Ted can attest to later, I wanted Daniel out, as well, for a multitude of reasons that I've already described, including him singling me out in the IC, and him being someone that you and Erin would want to ride to the finals at the expense of Brian and I, sooner rather than later.

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2) When I got us out of the hole you both dug us into there, then you decided to obsess over the Immunity Idol some more, even though I told you Rob wouldnt play it. But no, we had to vote Christy, who did what? She pulled the Idol didnt she? I told you both all day to vote Rob but you didnt. I bended to your judgement that time, how can you say I was uncompromising when I did that knowing that Rob was the move we had to make.


Christy wouldn't have played the idol on herself if you didn't tell her that Joanna and Rob were the targets, not to mention that whatever you do it's still a 1/3 chance. And Erin can share later who she remembers was the one domineering most of the plans that round.

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3) Then after I dug us out of THAT hole I told the two of you to vote for Rob because he was voting for Christy. But no, the two of you wanted to vote for Joanna instead. I had to actually verbally assault the pair of you at Tribal Council in order to get you to actually make the right decision for once. You both nearly ruined not only my existence in the game, you would have ended your own existence in the game, three times.


You seem to forget that even YOU wanted to vote for Joanna for the three days prior. It wasn't until the last minute that you told us to vote for Rob with hardly any accompanying explanation besides "TRUST ME" and we HAD TO because otherwise, our votes would have been split and worthless, just like Asteria's when Rob voted Christy. Also you're ignoring the fact that it wouldn't have MATTERED if we voted Joanna or Rob since it would have been a plurality to take any of them out. The only reason you're so livid about it is because you'd made a plan to get out Rob every day for weeks and you had to get your way.


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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 1
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:53:19 am 
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Brian wrote:
Penny wrote:
You looked towards the end but didnt think about getting there in the first place.
I gambled all game that I would be going to the end and made the best moves not only in my interests, but in both of your interests as well.

You two tried to play safe, which is evidenced by your obsession over the Immunity Idol. It didnt get played for like 3 or 4 Tribals, yet it came up every time with the pair of you.

Um, isn't it smart to consider all the scenarios and the possibility that the idol MIGHT come up? Because it was out there, and it did come up, so it just makes sense to idol-proof votes as much as possible. And keeping Ted with us and agreeing to his targets was partially to prevent his idol from being used against us also.


Um it didnt make sense because nobody from Asteria was going to play the Idol when they believed they had a 6-4 numbers advantage and would be looking towards the end themselves. The logical thinking for the Asterians was to keep the Idol for as long as they could.

You all waited so long to flush the damn the Idol. Fact is I brought Rob's name up for elimination at EVERY Tribal Council and you both flat out denied it. How many times did Rob play an Immunity Idol?


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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 1
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:59:55 am 
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Helen wrote:
As Ted can attest to later, I wanted Daniel out, as well, for a multitude of reasons that I've already described, including him singling me out in the IC, and him being someone that you and Erin would want to ride to the finals at the expense of Brian and I, sooner rather than later.


Then you have only one of two explanations:

1) You trusted Ted more than Daniel. This proves that your tactical game was inadequate because you didnt successfully read the true intentions of Ted. I did. You stupidly voted out Daniel who was voting with us rather than vote out Rob who was AGAINST us.

2) You were plotting against me from that episode. This proves that I am a better player than you. Not only did I survive the vote from the other Asterians. I also survived the vote from you and Brian. I didnt hide behind Immunity, I was vulnerable at every Tribal Council.

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Christy wouldn't have played the idol on herself if you didn't tell her that Joanna and Rob were the targets, not to mention that whatever you do it's still a 1/3 chance. And Erin can share later who she remembers was the one domineering most of the plans that round.


The fact is if we'd voted for Rob not only that round, but the multitude of rounds beforehand he would have gone home. Christy playing the Idol is not my fault, had you two both trusted my judgement and voted out Rob just once before, we wouldnt have been in the mess in the first place. Erin will also share the amount of times that I brought Rob's name up for elimination, and the amount of times the pair of you shut down that option because "Oh he might the Idol, boo hoo."


Helen wrote:
You seem to forget that even YOU wanted to vote for Joanna for the three days prior. It wasn't until the last minute that you told us to vote for Rob with hardly any accompanying explanation besides "TRUST ME" and we HAD TO because otherwise, our votes would have been split and worthless, just like Asteria's when Rob voted Christy. Also you're ignoring the fact that it wouldn't have MATTERED if we voted Joanna or Rob since it would have been a plurality to take any of them out. The only reason you're so livid about it is because you'd made a plan to get out Rob every day for weeks and you had to get your way.


This is completely false. I told you to vote for Rob the entire time, because I knew that if you happened to lose the Immunity Challenge, you would beat Rob in a challenge tie breaker and so my greatest threat would be out of the game while I would keep my numbers.

I made a plan to vote out Rob every day because he was the strongest player Asteria had and it made sense to go for the strongest player. The two of you were stupid enough to believe that Rob would actually flip to us after we spent all pre-merge bagging him and that, combined with the fact you were so paranoid about the Immunity Idol is the reason he survived this long.


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Re: Final Tribal Council - Part 1
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:03:49 am 
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Alright guys, I hate to break up a fight, you all know that... BUT we will continue this tomorrow at 9c/10e with Part 2 where Ted, Erin, Rob, Christy and Joanna will get their turn.


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