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Shawna · **Joined:** Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:05:44 pm **Posts:** 381

Joanna wrote:

Shawna wrote:

Brenda wrote:

I think I mentioned it in here somewhere already, but you should go look at how Brian played the same position as you over on Helios. No harm in juggling a few alliances, but you ended up making a few moves that meant Christy & Joanna stopped trusting you :(

Go examine Brian's Helios' confessionals (and Helen/Penny/Erin/Jake/Ted's) to see the same idea as yours executed a lot more steadily.

They are available now?

I'll check them out later.

I wish i was on Helios pre-merge, i'd loose Jo, but they seem much more entertaining than us, plus i 100% would have made an alliance with Jake and Jan (Jan is comedic gold, if she was in Asteria everybody would have been all over her case).

:(

Don't worry you're still my fav! icon_wub

Shawna · **Joined:** Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:05:44 pm **Posts:** 381

Brenda wrote:

I think I mentioned it in here somewhere already, but you should go look at how Brian played the same position as you over on Helios. No harm in juggling a few alliances, but you ended up making a few moves that meant Christy & Joanna stopped trusting you :(

Go examine Brian's Helios' confessionals (and Helen/Penny/Erin/Jake/Ted's) to see the same idea as yours executed a lot more steadily.

But in the end my plan was just better, Christy brought Ted along, and Jo brought Dan, and guess who flipped and cost us all our games?

And then there's Rob, for all the crap they gave Jeanne for being inept, how the hell does Rob not figure out it would be better to target an Helios in the first II? He pretty much put us in a position where we were 4/5 down on Helios in that challenge.

I always kept Jo on the loop, so from my side there was no reason for them to worry about anything.

But now that i know the whole story, i blame the whole mutiny fiasco more on Christy than Rob.

As a noob i think you guys should stress out how important it is for us to speak what's going through our minds in confessionals, i had NO IDEA i could (and should) put everything that i was thinking about in confessionals, i mean in hindsight it is obvious, but it never occurred to me at the time, i just talked in confessionals when i saw someone had asked a question. icon_dumb

Shawna · **Joined:** Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:05:44 pm **Posts:** 381

Brenda wrote:

the smoothness of Ryan's boot was all Shawna's work icon_yes

, a little power made her over-confident icon_weep

. She had a solid pocket ally in Jeanne, and she rightfully wanted Ted out (for reasons that are now proving to be true). She just wanted to put herself in the best position she could at the merge. But her 'test' of Daniel backfired drastically Only because Christy chose to trust Ted! , her truest allies don't want to give her too much power, and her lack of a connection to Rob Can you honestly tell me it wasn't a good call? In the end he was useless left her in a far less powerful position than she believed once he came back. That's true but it's not my fault they decided to trust a madman, they knew was just returning from a fool's errand

Now her rogue Ted vote might cost her the game. SO TRUE icon_weep

Her biggest problem is one of impatience & impulsiveness - if she can just reign that in a little she can still do very well for herself. I can't fault her for trying so hard, but right now what he needs to do is lay low Exactly what i did and rebuild her bonds with the Bitches.

For the life of me i can't understand why anyone would give Ted any credit for sincerity, and we all knew he was both smart and good at challenges, and most importantly not a faithful person at all, i mean this guy had already betrayed his tribe, how more obvious could it be?

I think more experienced players have these ideas of keeping the "most deserving" players around, and obviously they tend to have a better opinion of experienced players like themselves, and while Rob and Ted were experienced, they were playing a pretty harebrained game, and Christy helped both of them making the merge.

Ryan · **Joined:** Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:05:09 pm **Posts:** 263

"For the life of me i can't understand why anyone would give Ted any credit for sincerity"

"and we all knew he was both smart and good at challenges"

Shawna: Jeanne and Ryan want to join us and make it a 4strong vote against Daniel, i said i'd talk to you and see if you were onboard, i say you become the bad cop and say not and propose we vote out Ryan instead and have Daniel take is place in our alliance, if she agrees we should be ok, if she doesn't, we burn one bridge but we still have the upper had so we are ok.

What do you think? Are you ok with being the bad cop?

Ted: That's very confusing. If Daniel and Ryan are both willing to work with us, why are we turning them on each other?

Shawna: Right now they are the only ones without clear alliances we don't want that, those are the ones likely to flip on us once we merge.

You seemed to give him a little credit yourself at the time, and treated him pretty dumb in this exchange icon_razz

Shawna · **Joined:** Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:05:44 pm **Posts:** 381

Carl wrote:

Shawna's probably gone tonight, and it's entirely because she didn't take out Christy/Joanna and keep Ryan/Jeanne. She had a solid alliance of 5 people loyal to her, but she voted two of them out and now Dan/Ted are free agents who don't trust the Rob/Christy/Joanna group.

Hey i only voted 1 out, and i'm still not 100% convinced Ryan wouldn't have flipped (i'll have to ask him later). Plus if i voted, any of Jo/Christy out, i would have Ryan/Jeanne on my side, but Dan and Ted would still be around, and there was no way i was going to put my faith in those hands.

Shawna · **Joined:** Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:05:44 pm **Posts:** 381

Ryan wrote:

"For the life of me i can't understand why anyone would give Ted any credit for sincerity"

"and we all knew he was both smart and good at challenges"

Shawna: Jeanne and Ryan want to join us and make it a 4strong vote against Daniel, i said i'd talk to you and see if you were onboard, i say you become the bad cop and say not and propose we vote out Ryan instead and have Daniel take is place in our alliance, if she agrees we should be ok, if she doesn't, we burn one bridge but we still have the upper had so we are ok.

What do you think? Are you ok with being the bad cop?

Ted: That's very confusing. If Daniel and Ryan are both willing to work with us, why are we turning them on each other?

Shawna: Right now they are the only ones without clear alliances we don't want that, those are the ones likely to flip on us once we merge.

You seemed to give him a little credit yourself at the time, and treated him pretty dumb in this exchange icon_razz

Did you exchange any PMs with him?

He was awful.

That was by far the most verbose thing he said the whole game, and the only time he proposed anything.

I'm not sure if by then i was already set on having him leave before the merge, but i never intended on letting him make it past the merge if i had any say in it.

Actually one of the admins said exactly the same thing as you when that was happening (i forgot where i read it, but i'm sure of it).

Ryan · **Joined:** Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:05:09 pm **Posts:** 263

Tough to say what I would`ve done Shawna it would`ve depended on the next vote and how it went. I would have no doubt wanted Christy to go next. I thought Rob/Christy/Joanna were a solid grouping. I pictured Rob more at the top at the time. So if that 3some hit the merge together I would have flipped somewhere at some point bc I didn`t see my self ever getting past 4th with with them together. When Rob mutinies back if me you Jeanne and Ted stay together I would`ve been comfortable shifting my vote from Christy to Rob. It would have had to been one of those 2 though. I wouldn`t have targeted JoJo at all and its hard to see me going against Ted at that point either. And if those 2 votes turn out different I think Ted has a very different view of you at the merge and you aren`t on his radar if he does indeed flip. At no point did I want to vote Jeanne out bc it played too much into what I saw as the 3. But I did really like Joanna and would`ve worked past anything after the TC(my boot) if Joanna felt blindsided by it.

Shawna did you know of the plan to throw the challenge? If not did nothing about how it went down strike you as odd? If you didn`t know they threw it what did you think when I told you I thought they did?

Shawna · **Joined:** Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:05:44 pm **Posts:** 381

In all honesty i was so shocked he talked back that i was caught off guard and answered the first good argument that came to mind, and as it wasn't that good icon_lol

Ryan · **Joined:** Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:05:09 pm **Posts:** 263

"Did you exchange any PMs with him?

He was awful. "

I think I had told you that Ted wasn`t saying very much to me. I remember you saying he was good to go and I was like really bc he sure doesn`t give me the impression. I`m looking at it from Teds pov though and can see why he would be tight lipped (though apparently he was like that on helios too) and I could definitely see why he wouldn`t say much to me. I just tried my best to show him he could trust me for sure at that point though.

"Actually one of the admins said exactly the same thing as you when that was happening (i forgot where i read it, but i'm sure of it)."

This blog I kinda stole that from Brenda.

I trusted Ted`s mutiny and the longest pm he sent me was to explain why when I asked. I just bought his story and believed him and it turns out if you read through the scoop in alumni den that it was true from Ted`s pov. So I seriously did trust him at that point bc he had good reason to flip imo.

Ryan · **Joined:** Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:05:09 pm **Posts:** 263

Shawna wrote:

In all honesty i was so shocked he talked back that i was caught off guard and answered the first good argument that came to mind, and as it wasn't that good icon_lol

Ted gave me the feel when I was talking to him that he was taking it all in and giving little if any back out. Which is smart of him. I didn`t care though bc I 100% needed him then so I just opened up harder and gave him more of what I thought was the dynamics of things. He was aware of the challenge throw though from what I`ve read and after the throw Christy told him I was the target. I dropped the ball hard not getting to Ted right way(and in other areas). We go back to Ted`s mutiny and 150-200% confident I`d let him spoon me that night for as long as he wanted.